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It's remarkable how such a simply deduced query could lead to so many responses.

Which query was that?

It would seem you fail to divide it as it is written rightly using the proper prescriptions 2 Cor 4:18

So then according to you we are to avoid mixes faith, (believing in a God) in what we hear and cannot see? Those whose refused to mix faith in what they did hear in Hebrews 4:1-7) .Their hearts remained hard , they missed the gospel call.

And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations. Luke 16:9

It would seen no man can serve as true riches the unseen eternal things of God as they are written and those of men as oral traditions as mere commandments of men. Can't serve the mammon of unrighteousness; with the true unseen mammon riches of Christ's righteousness as two teaching masters.

One is our master in heaven our Father not seen . Even the Son of man Jesus refused to be called good master in respect to what the eyes see . He gave glory to the unseen father declaring .One is good. . God not seen walk by faith and he will reveal the mysteries his will. And the not the unrighteous mammon from those with no faith. Those who glory in the corrupted flesh. . . the temporal things seen

No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God ( not seen ) and mammon. (the mamon of unrighteousness as that seen the temporal) Luke 16:13

Unbelievers have no share in the eternal weight of glory (2 Cor 4:17). They look after the things seen flesh and blood and not the things not seen the eternal Spirit .( no faith) The eternal unseen work of glory

All of the rudiments of this world were corrupted as in dying death occurs. the wrth of God daily reveled from heaven .A dead creation dying. . Even that of the spotless lambs that were used in ceremonial laws aged .

The hard-hearted unbelievers missed the gospel call because they looked to the temporal flesh and blood what the eyes see rather that the unseen work of the Spirit called mixing faith or believing.

Hebrews 4 King James Version (KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

The work was not finished by and through the one time outward demonstration.. . of the work of the unseen Spirit. Using a body of death, signified as sinful . Jesus did not sin in his eternal Spirit. He used the temporal to give us the unseen gospel understanding hidden. . as sinful .

The Son of man as us was born into a body that began dying shown as soon as he was born called aging, corupting . He did not die the same age he was born. The same corrupted flesh he inherited from His mother.

He did not inherit his corruptible body from our father in heaven. He has no flesh and blood to offer . He remins ageless He is not a man as us. Just as we are informed in Roman 8 . To do the demonstration the work finished from the foundation using sinful flesh seen to demonstrate one time what the letter of the law could not do ...forgive.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8:3 . . . not in respect to the flesh as what the eyes see that again propfited for nothing, nada, zero, zip..

garee said:

Unbelievers have no share in the eternal weight of glory (2 Cor 4:17). They look after the things seen flesh and blood and not the things not seen the eternal Spirit .( no faith) The eternal unseen work of glory

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I know ... that's why I asked why you brought up Heb 4:1-7 when we were discussing your conflation of 2 Cor 4:18, Matt 6:24, Luke 16:13.

Now you're going further and bringing Heb 4:1-7 into the mix.

garee said:

All of the rudiments of this world were corrupted as in dying death occurs. the wrth of God daily reveled from heaven .A dead creation dying. . Even that of the spotless lambs that were used in ceremonial laws aged .

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The "spotless lambs that were used in ceremonial laws" were merely shadows and types. The Lord Jesus Christ is the reality. He was, is, and ever will be the Lamb of God, without blemish, without spot (i.e. no corruption).

garee said:

Jesus did not sin in his eternal Spirit.

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Nor did Jesus sin in His flesh.

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

garee said:

He used the temporal to give us the unseen gospel understanding hidden. . as sinful .

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What are you talking about??? He was not, is not, nor will He ever be "sinful" ... nor is the gospel is "sinful".

garee said:

The Son of man as us was born into a body that began dying shown as soon as he was born called aging, corupting . He did not die the same age he was born.

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Jesus did not die because of "aging".

He gave up His life (John 10).

If He had not had to redeem us and if it had been the will of the Father, He would still be alive today in the same body He had when He walked the earth.

The only reason death entered into the human race (and all creation) was because of sin Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin


Jesus knew no sin (Heb 4:15). There was no sin in Him which would have caused death. He freely laid His life down John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

garee said:

The same corrupted flesh he inherited from His mother.

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How many times do I have to explain to you that Jesus did not share fully with the descendants of Adam.

He only took part.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.


Jesus laid down His life for us in order to destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.

Quit making stuff up. Read God's Word ... say what God says ... don't be carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4:14).

garee said:

To do the demonstration the work finished from the foundation using sinful flesh seen to demonstrate one time what the letter of the law could not do ...forgive.

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Jesus' flesh was not "sinful" ... the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God, without blemish, without spot ... no corruption in Him.

And it was never the intent of the law to "forgive". The law was a schoolmaster to bring people to Christ (Gal 3:24)

garee said:

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8:3

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And I have explained this verse to you in Post #439, Post #367, Post #296. What do you not understand about the meaning of the word homoíōma (translated into English "likeness")?

In Rom 8:3, the word "likeness" is the Greek word homoíōma which means:



Read that definition again:

Hi thanks for the reply. I hear that a little differently.

Mathew 6 and Luke 16 are parallel parables. Both working as one work having the same spiritual, understanding. If men will not hear the gospel of God the righteous mammon (spiritual riches) then neither would they believe if Jesus rose from the dead. Or if they will not hear all things written in the law and the prophets. . or Moses and Elijah (sola scriptura) The two infallible witnesses as the one witness of God and not the witness of men. This is shown in the last verse of that two chapter discourse.

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

When he had the disciples alone he explained the parable. . a warning against false profits who make the word of God to no effect by the oral traditions as commandments of men . He called them a brood of vipers with the poison of vipers used to represent false prophecy, false doctrine, false prophets .

Luke 17 King James Version (KJV)Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!

I think you meant rather than conflation. . attempting to rightly divide the parables according to the prescriptions. .

It seems you have another understanding of what faith is, who it comes from and what it does perform in us?

Heb 4:1-7 was brought in as a offer to help you understand what it means to "walk by faith" or "mix faith" using the temporal as to what is seen or heard, giving us the unseen eternal not seen. . . gospel understanding. The signified language that the Holy Spirit uses called parables.

Without the signified tongue of God, He spoke not in parables . Hiding the unseen understanding from those who do not desire salvation by a exclusive faith as it is written . Like the faithless Jews who made Jesus into a circus seal. Perform a miracle then we will believe.

Those its seems who in effect say. . . who needs the invisible work of Christ's faith working in them to both will and do His good pleasure? They as murmurers would be the same kind of disciples (John 6) that gloried in the hope of the "flesh" of the Son man . And when he said His flesh profits for nothing, nada, zip .They walked away in unbelief (no faith). . Looking among themselves. . "who is the greatest" When he is standing right in front of them. In the end of the matter revealing their faithlessness. . Therefore revealing they were not given the spiritual unseen understanding as a result of the parable. Jesus who was given words from the Father. said to them "no man can come unless the unseen Father draw him" .They would have nothing to do with believing in a God not seen. (foolishness)

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see "signs and wonders:, ye will not believe.

John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Matthew 6 is not a parable.

garee said:

Hi thanks for the reply. I hear that a little differently.

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Well, quit hearing God's Word "differently" than the context in which God chooses to reveal.

Let Hebrews 4:1-7 remain within the context of what is written in Hebrews.

Let 2 Cor 4:18 remain within the context of what is written in 2 Corinthians.

Try doing that and see how much of God's Word opens up to you to you because you are honoring God and letting His Word reveal to you what He has laid out. Trying to get God's Word to fit your empty reasoning is not "walking by faith".

garee said:

I think you meant rather than conflation. . attempting to rightly divide the parables according to the prescriptions. .

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Here is what you did, garee:

In your Post #430, you stated:



Jesus used the term serve two masters in Matt 6:24 and Luke 16:13.

Your conflation of Matt 6:24 or Luke 16:13 with 2 Cor 4:18 renders meaningless what God wants us to know from each record.

garee said:

It seems you have another understanding of what faith is, who it comes from and what it does perform in us?

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God has revealed what faith is.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Hopefully you will learn how to live by His defining of faith rather than what your "unseen eternal" reveals to you.

garee said:

Heb 4:1-7 was brought in as a offer to help you understand what it means to "walk by faith" or "mix faith" using the temporal as to what is seen or heard, giving us the unseen eternal not seen. . . gospel understanding. The signified language that the Holy Spirit uses called parables.

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Heb 4:1-7 is not a parable.

As far as my "walk by faith", I need no assistance from your "unseen eternal not seen".

garee said:

Without the signified tongue of God, He spoke not in parables . Hiding the unseen understanding from those who do not desire salvation by a exclusive faith as it is written . Like the faithless Jews who made Jesus into a circus seal. Perform a miracle then we will believe.

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Acknowledging there was absolutely no corruption in Jesus in no way means that I am like "the faithless Jews who made Jesus into a circus seal".

You continuing to insist that there was any corruptness in Jesus (in His flesh), renders mankind in an unredeemed state because God would never have approved the offering. Any spot or blemish would have been an abomination to God (Deut 17:1).

garee said:

They walked away in unbelief (no faith). . Looking among themselves. . "who is the greatest" When he is standing right in front of them. In the end of the matter revealing their faithlessness.

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Now you're conflating Matt 18 with John 6?

First of all, you do realize that when some of His disciples walked away, they did not come back … John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

They left Jesus. They did not continue to follow Him.

Secondly, the disciples who looked "among themselves" to determine "who is the greatest", you do realize that these disciples did not walk away. They continued to follow Jesus.

So you're further conflating John 6:63 with Matt 18:1 and you do not understand the meaning of either record.

Really sad the way you handle Scripture and disregard its meaning as you follow your "unseen eternal", garee.

garee said:

Therefore revealing they were not given the spiritual unseen understanding as a result of the parable. Jesus who was given words from the Father. said to them "no man can come unless the unseen Father draw him" .They would have nothing to do with believing in a God not seen. (foolishness)

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Your statement is based in your own "(foolishness)" because the disciples who looked "among themselves" to determine "who is the greatest" did not leave Jesus. They continued with Jesus.


Jesus even knew that one who did not leave Him was one who would betray Him (John 6:64) because as He stated in John 6:70-71: John 6:70-71 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

You said: You do realize that if Adam and Eve had not sinned, there would be no corruption and the heavens and the earth would be as God had created (i.e. uncorrupted) to this very day?

Was corruption found in Satan while he was in heaven?

It may seem a moot point in light of what you meant to say, and I am sorry for that...

Magenta said:

You said: You do realize that if Adam and Eve had not sinned, there would be no corruption and the heavens and the earth would be as God had created (i.e. uncorrupted) to this very day?

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Yes, I meant the physical creation ... apologies for any confusion.


Edited to add: In Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, the word "heaven" is plural. That is why I referred to the physical creation as "the heavens and the earth" in the post from which you quoted.

I would agree with that. But not the way you seem to be using it as some kind of hope in the things seen the flesh what the eyes .Hoping it could profit for something other than a one time demonstration of the unseen work. Understanding (walking) by the things seen the temporal. . rather than by the faith of God that works in the believer. The eternal. . not seen

I think when we think of eternal God, the Spirit of Truth. . He remains without beginning.

Our imagination if walking by faith should come up blank. He who remins without form is greater than the our imagination of the heart.

He is not made after corruptible man or any rudiment of this world. This is to include the flesh of the Son of Man,. Jesus

The one time demonstration of the lamb who was slain already. . . from the foundation of the world when God was working.. Never again another demonstration..( 2 Corinthians 5:16)

Like you did define 3667 (homoíōma) . In the same way simply define the words now henceforth no more. (nothing nada zip)

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.2 Corinthians 5:16

Nothing to copy from . likeness is not mirror image. God does not have a literal face, as mankind.

I would agree the likeness of sinful flesh was only a resemblance ((homoíōma) of our High priest continually as the Son of God. (Melchedik)

He remains without mother or father.. . . . No genealogy in the Godhead. Therefore God remains without beginning of Spirit life or end. Hebrew 7.

It was not an exact copy of Melchezedek a theophany. A vision without rudiments (clay). Literal flesh was needed for the one time demonstration to do what the letter of the law that kills could not do . Heal and create anew. The work of faith or called the law of faith ( Christ's the unseen eternal) ..

If we were to try and make the unseen work of the gospel of the Holy Spirit that which did profit after the eyes see . Then we could just include Jesus like one the apostles into a pantheon of gods. Revealed as gods are come down to us in the "likeness of men".
Likeness is not imagery.

We know it was the unseen work of the gospel that enabled the lame to walk by the faith that worked in the person and not what the eyes did see the temporal .

Note.... (purple bolded) my comment.

And there they preached the gospel. (The unseen Power of God) And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith (of Christ) to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.And when the people "saw" what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Acts14:8-14

The apostles like the Son of man Jesus refused to stand in the holy unseen place of the glory of the father .(the abomination of desolation)

Psalm 89:5-6 King James Version (KJV) And the heavens shall praise thy wonders, O Lord: thy faithfulness also in the congregation of the saints. For who in the heaven can be compared unto the Lord? who among the sons of the mighty (flesh and blood) can be likened unto the Lord?

You are attempting to explain theology when you don't have an adequate grasp of language. I tell you this not to shame you, but to encourage you to step up.

Please take a class in written English. Learn basic grammar. Learn about proper punctuation and syntax. Learn how to write a coherent and concise sentence. If you find it objectionable to take a class in person, then take an online class.

Until you have learned such basic skills, your contributions here are largely wasted, because many of your "word groups" (I wouldn't call them "sentences") don't make much sense to anyone but you.