Is There Forgiveness and Mercy for the Enemies of God

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Your question is beyond ridiculous. You have not tracked the conversation enough to know what the two definitions prove, which is that comparisons are not parables. Try reading back in the thread before responding next time.

NOUN
comparisons (plural noun)

(1) the act or instance of comparing. Jesus drew a comparison between his teachings and others not exclusively of His own called antichrists ·

(2)The Pharisees with Sadducees as two denominations put their differences aside and walked as one after the temporal things of this world, the things seen.. Jesus using the temporal things of this world, revealed the spiritual or signified, unseen understanding called faith. . the hidden manna found in the parables. One of the manners of prophecy Christ spoke .

(3) A comparison between the things seen the temporal to signify that not seen the eternal . A comparison represented as a parable that was not only historically accurate but also accurate to reveal his gospel understanding. it is shown doing its signified work Hebrews 9.
You invented this definition to suit your purposes. That is the essence of circular reasoning... another concept you don't understand.

As a historically true parable
There is no such thing.
 

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Yes, everlasting punishment never to rise to new spirit life forever and ever more.

Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust "again".

Ecclesiastes 12: Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit (breath of life) shall return unto God who gave it.

The believer given a new incorruptible spirit will rise on the last day and live forever more. Death as to the letter of the law will also not rise to condemn another whole creation forever more. It as a done deal is tossed into the lake of fire

Somethings rise other do not.
Those verses do not say that those spirits will go to an everlasting punishment never to rise to new spirit life forever and ever more.
In fact, Ecclesiastes 12 proves this in the verse you omitted before pasting verse 7.
5 they are afraid also of what is high, and terrors are in the way; the almond tree blossoms, the grasshopper drags itself along,[a] and desire fails, because man is going to his eternal home, and the mourners go about the streets.
6 before the silver cord is snapped, or the golden bowl is broken, or the pitcher is shattered at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern, 7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. 8 Vanity[b] of vanities, says the Preacher; all is vanity.

Fear God and Keep His Commandments
9 Besides being wise, the Preacher also taught the people knowledge, weighing and studying and arranging many proverbs with great care. 10 The Preacher sought to find words of delight, and uprightly he wrote words of truth.
11 The words of the wise are like goads, and like nails firmly fixed are the collected sayings; they are given by one Shepherd. 12 My son, beware of anything beyond these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
13 The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.[c] 14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, with[d] every secret thing, whether good or evil.
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The same with your pasting a singular verse from the Book of Ecclesiastes chapter 3 In fact this chapter that precedes chapter 20 fleshes out the meaning in chapter 20 as to what is meant by vanities.
From Dust to Dust
16 Moreover, I saw under the sun that in the place of justice, even there was wickedness, and in the place of righteousness, even there was wickedness. 17 I said in my heart, God will judge the righteous and the wicked, for there is a time for every matter and for every work. 18 I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts. 19 For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity.[b] 20 All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth? 22 So I saw that there is nothing better than that a man should rejoice in his work, for that is his lot. Who can bring him to see what will be after him?


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Works do not save. This we know. However, those who are in the Body of Christ, the Ekklesia, "Christians", will have the work they did in the service of the Almighty judged. As will every thought be, and every word be judged.
This is why there are so many verses that tell us to , in so many words, pun intended, watch our mouths.
What does it benefit us to use our tongue as a sword that strikes hate filled remarks toward someone we feel deserves them? Though not a physical assault, words none the less can cause pain.
Why would we want to do that to someone? When we are to be the example of the God that is Love?
And especially if and when we resort to such things in order to "win" an argument concerning our understanding of scripture?
Can we say we know what the words of God are saying when we use our words in defense of them in such ways?

Love one another! Love the Lord God with all your heart and mind. These are the two greatest commandments upon which all the law and the prophets hang.
 

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Yes. God is a Father to mankind. What human father would lock their children in a garden shed for a year and subject them to pain? The Heavenly Father is supposed to be infinitely more loving. I have come to see the doctrine of unending torment as a great evil that has been used to scare people for centuries. The original greek is quite clear that any punishments are cleansing and not indefinite. Even our English word "punishment" comes from a root word meaning, to purify. Christ loves all. The victory is total, not partial. The love of God is all encompassing, not limited to a few. Just as in Adam ALL die, so in Christ shall ALL be made alive.
Amen!
Jesus was the second Adam. Also, some scriptures stay, Jesus was the second man. (Note: person, in the scripture below. That means flesh, bone, and blood. ;) )
The Book of Genesis chapter 2: 7 then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living person.

Adam was the pattern of Christ that would come into the world to undo the trespass the first man-Adam, (Adamu-"earth) did.
The Book of Romans chapter 5 verse 14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.

The Book of 1st Corinthians chapter 15
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death*. All of scripture is like quilt panels that are laid out upon a table and sewn together so as to create one giant blanket of truth that covers the world. Each scripture has meaning to flesh out, give meaning to, other scripture(s).
*The Book of Revelation chapter 20
Judgment Before the Great White Throne

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

The lake of fire also appears in Plato's writing, Gorgias. A dialog between Plato and a group of Sophists concerning the meaning and application of Rhetoric.

This verse also I think puts to rest that argument concerning Annihilationism as pertains to scripture.
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


Remember also that Hell was considered to be a literal place, located at the center of the earth. In ancient Norse mythos, Hel was their goddess of that underworld place. Not fire and brimstone, but it was the abode of the dead.


I've kept had this link for awhile now. I think this thread is why.
 

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Proof of what??

NOUN
comparisons (plural noun)

(1) the act or instance of comparing. Jesus drew a comparison between his teachings and others not exclusively of His own called antichrists ·

(2)The Pharisees with Sadducees as two denominations put their differences aside and walked as one after the temporal things of this world, the things seen.. Jesus using the temporal things of this world, revealed the spiritual or signified, unseen understanding called faith. . the hidden manna found in the parables. One of the manners of prophecy Christ spoke .

(3) A comparison between the things seen the temporal to signify that not seen the eternal . A comparison represented as a parable that was not only historically accurate but also accurate to reveal his gospel understanding. it is shown doing its signified work Hebrews 9.

As a historically true parable it represents that not seen (faith) The whole time period that their Kings in Israel when God temporally gave over the faithless Jews to do what they should not. Reject God as KING. . . the abomination of desolation. .

God cut it off restoring the government of God to that not seen the time of Judges. No outward representative. No more men lording it over other men. The time spoken of by Joel. When God poured out his Spirit on all flesh, men and woman, Jew and Gentile .The new kingdom of Priests that hold out prophecy the gospel after the many manner to include parables..

The Holy Ghost this signifying, (using the things seen the temporal to give us the eternal gospel understanding) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time of reformation". Hebrews 9: 8-10


You seem to be in a corner there and made so by at least two members I've seen. I wanted to support you in the part of your post above that I made bold in red.
You are correct when speaking of a "true parable." Those are known as "Similitudes". There are at least 12 Similitudes contained within just the Synoptic, (Meaning, the books are synonymous in reporting of Christ and his ministry, in this case) Gospels. I hope this assists you.
 

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Dino246

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For starters? The Council of Trent.
And those that believed in Sola Scriptura, all of the Sola's in fact, were judged Anathema. (Cursed) https://realromancatholic.com/2013/10/08/the-heresy-of-sola-scriptura/
Yes, I know this. I don't defend the C of T (and never have), nor has anybody in this thread. Garee continually states what "they" claim, without actually identifying who "they" are or quoting anyone. When challenged, he has never provided evidence to substantiate such statements. I have told him repeatedly that what Catholics claim is irrelevant, yet he keeps raising the subject.
 

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You seem to be in a corner there and made so by at least two members I've seen. I wanted to support you in the part of your post above that I made bold in red.
You are correct when speaking of a "true parable." Those are known as "Similitudes". There are at least 12 Similitudes contained within just the Synoptic, (Meaning, the books are synonymous in reporting of Christ and his ministry, in this case) Gospels. I hope this assists you.
The problem I have with Garee's use of "true parable" is that he calls everything in Scripture a parable. He doesn't grasp the limited applicability of the term, and debases both its meaning and the way Scripture is to be interpreted. His defense of his view is full of holes.
 

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The problem I have with Garee's use of "true parable" is that he calls everything in Scripture a parable. He doesn't grasp the limited applicability of the term, and debases both its meaning and the way Scripture is to be interpreted. His defense of his view is full of holes.
I cannot judge because I have not scrutinized their posts to that degree.
However, I respect that you have. My question then is, and we all can be in error in our understanding at times, just depends on the area of study we're involved in , in my opinion only of course, but to continue, if we find a sister or brother in error, how are we to address that with them? According again to our understanding of the teachings as pertain to that?
 

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Yes, I know this. I don't defend the C of T (and never have), nor has anybody in this thread. Garee continually states what "they" claim, without actually identifying who "they" are or quoting anyone. When challenged, he has never provided evidence to substantiate such statements. I have told him repeatedly that what Catholics claim is irrelevant, yet he keeps raising the subject.
As you know the Concilium Tridentinum was the 19th ecumenical council, 1545 to 1563, and was itself of the Roman Catholic church.
Perhaps we should consider when Garee would attribute something they know or believe to what "Catholics believe", they are referring to the CoT?
Again, as you would know, in the 18 years the council operated they brought many lasting changes as pertains to both the organization itself and the administration of the RCC.
So perhaps if we consider what Garee attributes to what the RCC claims, we can reflect upon those changes in organization and administration and think perhaps it is that which they are referring to. Either before or after the changes arrived?

Just trying to be helpful in hoping for a gentler approach to their offerings in these threads is all.
 

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I cannot judge because I have not scrutinized their posts to that degree.
However, I respect that you have. My question then is, and we all can be in error in our understanding at times, just depends on the area of study we're involved in , in my opinion only of course, but to continue, if we find a sister or brother in error, how are we to address that with them? According again to our understanding of the teachings as pertain to that?
That's a great question.

Generally, it's good to start with something like, "I see that a different way..." then proceed to show them the parts of the Bible (or other evidence) that supports your position while refuting theirs. I do my best to criticize the ideas rather than the person holding them, unless I have seen clear evidence of a personality issue causing problems.
 

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As you know the Concilium Tridentinum was the 19th ecumenical council, 1545 to 1563, and was itself of the Roman Catholic church.
Perhaps we should consider when Garee would attribute something they know or believe to what "Catholics believe", they are referring to the CoT?
Again, as you would know, in the 18 years the council operated they brought many lasting changes as pertains to both the organization itself and the administration of the RCC.
So perhaps if we consider what Garee attributes to what the RCC claims, we can reflect upon those changes in organization and administration and think perhaps it is that which they are referring to. Either before or after the changes arrived?

Just trying to be helpful in hoping for a gentler approach to their offerings in these threads is all.
I appreciate your irenic intent. If that is indeed Garee's source, it would serve him well to identify it, rather than simply claiming "they" repeatedly. I would still consider it irrelevant, as he is arguing against something that neither I nor others have espoused.
 
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Those verses do not say that those spirits will go to an everlasting punishment never to rise to new spirit life forever and ever more.
In fact, Ecclesiastes 12 proves this in the verse you omitted before pasting verse 7.
Hi thanks for the reply..

Not all spirits will not rise on the last day. Just those eternal ones that have been born again .

5 they are afraid also of what is high, and terrors are in the way; the almond tree blossoms, the grasshopper drags itself along,[a] and desire fails, because man is going to his eternal home, and the mourners go about the streets.
6 before the silver cord is snapped, or the golden bowl is broken, or the pitcher is shattered at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern, 7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. 8 Vanity[b] of vanities, says the Preacher; all is vanity.
Yes, each man is going to his eternal home. Some will rise on the last day to receive their new incorruptible bodies .And others that have no been given a new born again spirit.. . . the end. Never to rise to new born again life.

When God according to the letter of the law said; "you will surely die" .He meant the whole person. Not your flesh, (dust and water) will return to from where it came from and you have to deal with a spirit suffering forever in purgatory or limbo. God is not merciless.

Hell is a living work of suffering. The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven. . a dying creation leading toward the last day when death, the letter of the law will be tossed into the eternal judgement never to rise and condemn a whole creation .

The believers whose names where written in the Lambs book of salvation from the foundation of the world (6 days) They alone will rise on the last day. The judgement is set in stone.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Fear God and Keep His Commandments
9 Besides being wise, the Preacher also taught the people knowledge, weighing and studying and arranging many proverbs with great care. 10 The Preacher sought to find words of delight, and uprightly he wrote words of truth.
11 The words of the wise are like goads, and like nails firmly fixed are the collected sayings; they are given by one Shepherd. 12 My son, beware of anything beyond these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
13 The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.[c] 14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, with[d] every secret thing, whether good or evil.
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Yes, the end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18

The same with your pasting a singular verse from the Book of Ecclesiastes chapter 3 In fact this chapter that precedes chapter 20 fleshes out the meaning in chapter 20 as to what is meant by vanities.
From Dust to Dust
16 Moreover, I saw under the sun that in the place of justice, even there was wickedness, and in the place of righteousness, even there was wickedness. 17 I said in my heart, God will judge the righteous and the wicked, for there is a time for every matter and for every work. 18 I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts. 19 For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity.[b] 20 All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth? 22 So I saw that there is nothing better than that a man should rejoice in his work, for that is his lot. Who can bring him to see what will be after him?


The whole discourse the book of Ecclsiastes is under the sun .The temporal view of natural man . It does not include the eternal view

I would offer God knows that the spirit of mankind goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth. He says the spirit of man it returns to Him who gave it. Other beasts of the field other than mankind are not subject to salvation.

Works do not save. This we know. However, those who are in the Body of Christ, the Ekklesia, "Christians", will have the work they did in the service of the Almighty judged. As will every thought be, and every word be judged.
The works of Christ's Spirit of faith, as a labor of His love is all the works needed to satisfy the just demands of the letter of the law . . . That unseen law of faith works in us to both will and do "His" good pleasure. He reminds us, no murmuring. We all receive the same reward of Christ's work of faith, eternal life.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:philipians2:13-14

No (second judgment) "condemnation" for those in Christ. Christ in that sense was condemned in our judgement place when the father poured our the wrath intended for us.

They alone will rise of the last day .Can't raise something not there.

This is why there are so many verses that tell us to , in so many words, pun intended, watch our mouths.
What does it benefit us to use our tongue as a sword that strikes hate filled remarks toward someone we feel deserves them? Though not a physical assault, words none the less can cause pain.

Yes words can kill (thou shall not eat or you will surely die) .Not half dead. Or words of God have power to provide new raiseable life.

Why would we want to do that to someone? When we are to be the example of the God that is Love?
And especially if and when we resort to such things in order to "win" an argument concerning our understanding of scripture?
Can we say we know what the words of God are saying when we use our words in defense of them in such ways?

Love one another! Love the Lord God with all your heart and mind. These are the two greatest commandments upon which all the law and the prophets hang.
Amen....
 
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As you know the Concilium Tridentinum was the 19th ecumenical council, 1545 to 1563, and was itself of the Roman Catholic church.
Perhaps we should consider when Garee would attribute something they know or believe to what "Catholics believe", they are referring to the CoT?
Again, as you would know, in the 18 years the council operated they brought many lasting changes as pertains to both the organization itself and the administration of the RCC.
So perhaps if we consider what Garee attributes to what the RCC claims, we can reflect upon those changes in organization and administration and think perhaps it is that which they are referring to. Either before or after the changes arrived?

Just trying to be helpful in hoping for a gentler approach to their offerings in these threads is all.
Thanks I would offer by searching the scriptures I am someone familiar as to the mind set of men that look to what the eyes see as a comparison model , outwardly compare themselves with some that commend themselves: (venerable ones the ones whose approval they must seek after.. (Purple) Law of the fathers. Commandments or oral traditions of men

Those who have the faith of Christ labor of love working in them to both will and perform the good pleasure of our father in heaven (green)

2 Corinthians 10:11-13 King James Version (KJV) Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present. For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise. But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a (unseen) measure to reach even unto you.

Those who do play; "Who is the greatest "(out of sight out of mind) make it , as it is written (sola scriptura) The faith of Christ to no effect is our measure of his faith that works in us. Which is the unseen work that works in those who have been born again after the seed of God's word . there unbelief (no faith could never make the faith of God without effect. (Blasphemy)

Not an expert I got interested in the divisions and how the word heresy is used .it is another word for denomination or sect. seeing there must be denomination among us that do walk by faith and not after the temporal seen. And also interested in how the word faith as to who it came from was applied ? My first board I was on a was Catholic/ Protestant for over ten years. And nothing has changed . Just like the Concilium Tridentinum .

Catholics have no interest in all things written in the law and prophets(sola scriptura ) They call it a heresy and not what it truly is the very book of the law of God's, the gospel which is sealed with 7 seals to the end of time. With a warning not to add or substract from the complete word of God or called the perfect law. .A strong delusion is promised that the unbeliever (no faith of Christ working in them) will continue to beleive the lie of Satan . They simply are not interested in the gospel developed as it is written (sola scriptura)the finger of God.

There can be no ecumenical value between light and darkness. As it is with Roman Catholisicim the same with the Eastern Orthodox They together are simply like the Pharisees with Sadaucesss, two sects who put their personal differences aside in a attempt to make all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura ) without effect. So that could rather serve the flesh a law of the father .Therefore looking to the temporal thing seen and not the eternal revealed by sola scriptura.

Those that walked after the temporal as to what the eyes see. Made the grace of God without effect. The one damnable judgeable heresy as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Continued....
 
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The first century reformation is a carbon copy performed by the same spirit of lies. Defended by the same Spirit of truth, as it is written (sola scriptura) .

Same kind of best teaching available after the same upside down false zealously for knowing God "looking to the temporal seen". A written license by the High priest for murdering given to those who hold to a religion; "out of sight out of mind" (no faith)

I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.4 And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women. Acts 22:3-4

A carbon copy of the 15th century. . Same defending reforming authority not seen that worked in the Protestants .The Pope the Catholics high priest gave them written documents as commandments of men. Out of sight out of m ind rewards.

It as it is written the same reforming authority that works in the hearts of all in any of the new generation of Christ that have been given a new spirit and new heart that can rest in His love for us.

As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished. Acts 22:3-4

Paul born again after the incorruptible seed of God's living word . Was moved by the new spirit working in him. Revealing the father working to both will and perform His good pleasure. Turning thing back right side up, as reformed restored. . Inspired from heaven not earthly of the devils the brood vipers as a law of the fathers.

For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law. Acts 24:5-6

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Then when Saul departed and was a member of his new denomination as Paul. The fathers according to their law as their living hope (out of sight out of mind) They went after Paul and accused him of heresy. . but the could not

.He is effect as the Spirit of Christ worked in Paul set it straight. Informing us we do not worship or venerate men seen the temporal as if we were worshipping our eternal father in heaven not seen.

Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:Acts 24:

Again not worshipping the fathers seen as if they were our one Father not seem the Holy place of God) . they performed that what jesus called don'think over and over.

A carbon copy of the 15th century. . Same defending reforming authority not seen that worked in the Protestants .The Pope the Catholics high priest gave them written documents as commandments of men. Out of sight out of m ind rewards.

It as it is written the same reforming authority that works in the hearts of all in any of the new generation of Christ that have been given a new spirit and new heart that can rest in His love for us.

As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished. Acts 22:3-4

Paul born again after the incorruptible seed of God's living word . Was moved by the new spirit working in him. Revealing the father working to both will and perform His good pleasure. Turning thing back right side up, as reformed restored. . Inspired from heaven not earthly of the devils the brood vipers as a law of the fathers.

For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law. Acts 24:5-6

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Then when Saul departed and was a member of his new denomination as Paul. The fathers according to their law as their living hope (out of sight out of mind) They went after Paul and accused him of heresy. . but the could not

.He is effect as the Spirit of Christ worked in Paul set it straight. Informing us we do not worship or venerate men seen the temporal as if we were worshipping our eternal father in heaven not seen.

Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:Acts 24:

Again not worshipping the fathers seen as if they were our one Father not seem the Holy place of God) . they performed that what jesus called don'think over and over.
 

Dino246

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The first century reformation is a carbon copy performed by the same spirit of lies. Defended by the same Spirit of truth, as it is written (sola scriptura) .

Same kind of best teaching available after the same upside down false zealously for knowing God "looking to the temporal seen". A written license by the High priest for murdering given to those who hold to a religion; "out of sight out of mind" (no faith)

I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.4 And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women. Acts 22:3-4

A carbon copy of the 15th century. . Same defending reforming authority not seen that worked in the Protestants .The Pope the Catholics high priest gave them written documents as commandments of men. Out of sight out of m ind rewards.

It as it is written the same reforming authority that works in the hearts of all in any of the new generation of Christ that have been given a new spirit and new heart that can rest in His love for us.

As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished. Acts 22:3-4

Paul born again after the incorruptible seed of God's living word . Was moved by the new spirit working in him. Revealing the father working to both will and perform His good pleasure. Turning thing back right side up, as reformed restored. . Inspired from heaven not earthly of the devils the brood vipers as a law of the fathers.

For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law. Acts 24:5-6

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Then when Saul departed and was a member of his new denomination as Paul. The fathers according to their law as their living hope (out of sight out of mind) They went after Paul and accused him of heresy. . but the could not

.He is effect as the Spirit of Christ worked in Paul set it straight. Informing us we do not worship or venerate men seen the temporal as if we were worshipping our eternal father in heaven not seen.

Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:Acts 24:

Again not worshipping the fathers seen as if they were our one Father not seem the Holy place of God) . they performed that what jesus called don'think over and over.

A carbon copy of the 15th century. . Same defending reforming authority not seen that worked in the Protestants .The Pope the Catholics high priest gave them written documents as commandments of men. Out of sight out of m ind rewards.

It as it is written the same reforming authority that works in the hearts of all in any of the new generation of Christ that have been given a new spirit and new heart that can rest in His love for us.

As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished. Acts 22:3-4

Paul born again after the incorruptible seed of God's living word . Was moved by the new spirit working in him. Revealing the father working to both will and perform His good pleasure. Turning thing back right side up, as reformed restored. . Inspired from heaven not earthly of the devils the brood vipers as a law of the fathers.

For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law. Acts 24:5-6

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Then when Saul departed and was a member of his new denomination as Paul. The fathers according to their law as their living hope (out of sight out of mind) They went after Paul and accused him of heresy. . but the could not

.He is effect as the Spirit of Christ worked in Paul set it straight. Informing us we do not worship or venerate men seen the temporal as if we were worshipping our eternal father in heaven not seen.

Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:Acts 24:

Again not worshipping the fathers seen as if they were our one Father not seem the Holy place of God) . they performed that what jesus called don'think over and over.
Wow... your writing is getting worse! Several "word groups" here are completely nonsensical! PLEASE take a class!
 
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Wow... your writing is getting worse! Several "word groups" here are completely nonsensical! PLEASE take a class!
Wow. . . and here I thought it was getting better. You make a great teacher.

Is the fist century reformation a carbon copy of the 15 th. century reformation using different fathers to usurp the authority of our unseen father in heaven not seen? Or is sola scriptura, all things written in the law and the prophets nonsensical?
 

Dino246

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Wow. . . and here I thought it was getting better. You make a great teacher.
I don't have the patience to teach someone who repeatedly demonstrates that they aren't interested in learning. Take a class.