Is this belief sufficient for salvation?

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LeeLoving said:
That Jesus shed His blood and died for me on the cross and that He rose from the dead the third day?

Is there anything else that would need to be believed for salvation?
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If you believe it with all your heart and mind, and recognize that when Jesus died He did so to take all your wrongs, all those acts against the will of God's righteous desire for you living your life as he directs, upon Himself on that last sin altar, the cross, no. There is no thing else that is needed. Repent of your sins, hold faith they are now under the blood Jesus shed so as to cover them, pay the debt owed for them to God, so that you are now reborn as a new creation in the body of the anointed, Christ, and you are healed. :) You were never an enemy of God as we understand that word today. Rather, all who are in their sins, transgressions against God's law of righteousness, right behavior, are enemy in the sense of the definition of an opponent to God's will and word for them. https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/enemy/

The Spirit of Holy God will work within you and guide you to His good pleasure. As you grow in that relationship you will learn how to let God's guidance lead you throughout your life. Pray, that is how you speak to God. Learn to meditate, find the quiet place within you and away from the world's attentions , and that is how you will also hear what God has to say.

Welcome home. :)
 
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LeeLoving said:
That Jesus shed His blood and died for me on the cross and that He rose from the dead the third day? Is there anything else that would need to be believed for salvation?
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How often are you going to keep on asking the same question?
 
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Does Jesus being the Son of God mean that Jesus is God the Son and Son of God the Father?
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There is only one! God! :)
God is a verb. God's name is not, "God".

If you read the scriptures you will find that God is a spirit.(The Book of John chapter 4 verse 24) And God is holy. (The Book of 1st Peter chapter 1 verse 16). God came to this world as the begotten son of Mary, and His name was Emmanuel, meaning, "God with us". God cannot be looked upon by us that we should live. So, God came to us as one who appeared as a man, but who was also Holy Spirit God, which is why He could perform signs and wonders and miracles, as God is able to.
Jesus the man prayed, and some say, well if He were God was He just talking to Himself? No, He prayed before witnesses to show them how to be Holy. And in the Garden, as the man who was to be put to death on the cross very soon, His perfect human sinless nature was aware of the fate to befall Himself. What we witness in reading of that prayer in the garden of Gethsemane is the example for our own relationship with the indwelling Holy Spirit God. We are in the flesh and yet we are so much more; a temple that carries the greatest wisest power in all of creation within us as our Father, our guide, our Savior.

There are not three, as in a Triune, three separate and distinct persons, God. There is only one. God was not separate from Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit was not separate from the Son Jesus. God is Holy Spirit and Jesus was God.

Do you see how this template fails by contradicting itself?
It tells you, God is not the Holy Spirit, the Son is not God. But in the center it tells you God is that. Take that as truth.
See the center? "God"? God is one. "Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" The Book of Leviticus chapter 6 verse 4
The Book of Isaiah chapter43 verse 11 "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior. "
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
How often are you going to keep on asking the same question?
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Did you miss what they said of themselves in post #5? "I might have schizophrenia and might be dealing with a learning difficulty and might also have poor reading comprehension. "

Perhaps you might show compassion and kindness to our sister or brother.
 
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LeeLoving said:
That Jesus shed His blood and died for me on the cross and that He rose from the dead the third day?

Is there anything else that would need to be believed for salvation?
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Maybe not believed but some things that need to be done.
The bible says, "the devils believe and tremble", meaning, simply believing that God died for the world and even for you, is not enough to get the job done.
First, the belief must be of the heart and not of the head.
Second, you must receive Jesus in your heart, with your heart, by faith.
Third, confessing verbally, said belief and Jesus as your personal savior before two or three witnesses or two or three others later.
Why do number three?
Because, it is written, Faith without corresponding action is dead, useless, powerless, lifeless, and without effect.
James and Paul tell us we must act on what we believe for faith to work, or to get God to fulfill His promise.
Speaking verbally, is acting on said belief, also known as WOF, or words of faith. Romans 10:8-10.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The [verbal] word [of faith] is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

And the purpose of doing it before two or three witnesses, or telling two or three people after the fact, is because again, it is written, "that in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word may be established."
 
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Whispered said:
There is only one! God! :)
God is a verb. God's name is not, "God".

If you read the scriptures you will find that God is a spirit.(The Book of John chapter 4 verse 24) And God is holy. (The Book of 1st Peter chapter 1 verse 16). God came to this world as the begotten son of Mary, and His name was Emmanuel, meaning, "God with us". God cannot be looked upon by us that we should live. So, God came to us as one who appeared as a man, but who was also Holy Spirit God, which is why He could perform signs and wonders and miracles, as God is able to.
Jesus the man prayed, and some say, well if He were God was He just talking to Himself? No, He prayed before witnesses to show them how to be Holy. And in the Garden, as the man who was to be put to death on the cross very soon, His perfect human sinless nature was aware of the fate to befall Himself. What we witness in reading of that prayer in the garden of Gethsemane is the example for our own relationship with the indwelling Holy Spirit God. We are in the flesh and yet we are so much more; a temple that carries the greatest wisest power in all of creation within us as our Father, our guide, our Savior.

There are not three, as in a Triune, three separate and distinct persons, God. There is only one. God was not separate from Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit was not separate from the Son Jesus. God is Holy Spirit and Jesus was God.

Do you see how this template fails by contradicting itself?
It tells you, God is not the Holy Spirit, the Son is not God. But in the center it tells you God is that. Take that as truth.
See the center? "God"? God is one. "Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" The Book of Leviticus chapter 6 verse 4
The Book of Isaiah chapter43 verse 11 "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior. "
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If you were to apply that same analogy or picture to yourself, it would look similar.
For we are not only made in the image of God, but after His likeness as well.
We are make like God is,... a triune being or person.
At the top would be the soul.
To the bottom left would be the heart.
To the bottom right would be your spirit man with the old and new man within said spirit man.
And in the center, it would be I, me, myself, with the other three spheres linked to both each other and to the center, which is you.
Each is an entity or person by themselves, distinct from each other, but none by themselves is you, while all together make up who you are or you.
 
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know1 said:
If you were to apply that same analogy or picture to yourself, it would look similar.
For we are not only made in the image of God, but after His likeness as well.
We are make like God is,... a triune being or person.
At the top would be the soul.
To the bottom left would be the heart.
To the bottom right would be your spirit man with the old and new man within said spirit man.
And in the center, it would be I, me, myself, with the other three spheres linked to both each other and to the center, which is you.
Each is an entity or person by themselves, distinct from each other, but none by themselves is you, while all together make up who you are or you.
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Well, it would still look like me, if we go with your personal analogy.
I am me, but I also am a wife, and I am also employed in a profession. Does that mean there are three separate and distinct persons ? No. It means I am always me when I am an employed wife.
 
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Whispered said:
Well, it would still look like me, if we go with your personal analogy.
I am me, but I also am a wife, and I am also employed in a profession. Does that mean there are three separate and distinct persons ? No. It means I am always me when I am an employed wife.
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That is you.
Me thinks you missed the point ma'am.
The analogy is not that of three different states of water depending on the surrounding temperature.
That being a solid, liquid, or gas.
It is about being like God, in that, we have three distinct beings or persons in us.
The soul being the conscious part of you, the heart being the subconscious, and the spirit being both your enabler or unenabler, your strength and weakness, and the like.
Each alive and a person within you.
Like you, they speak and act both in and through you.
 
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LeeLoving said:
That Jesus shed His blood and died for me on the cross and that He rose from the dead the third day?

Is there anything else that would need to be believed for salvation?
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You should know Why JESUS died for you but the main thing Is believe that JESUS IS LORD.
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
Huh? Repent and believe the gospel is not works. Works of the Spirit? Absolutely. Works of a man? Absolutely not.

When ppl repent and believe, it is because God is working in them, bringing these to fruition.
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Repenting and believing are the product of having been born again and not the cause of being born again. The natural man cannot discern the things of the Spirit until after he has been born of the Spirit. God does not work in a man who does not think that he exists.
 
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It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
 
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Repenting and believing are the product of having been born again and not the cause of being born again. The natural man cannot discern the things of the Spirit until after he has been born of the Spirit. God does not work in a man who does not think that he exists.
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I never said anything to the contrary my friend. The very moment someone is quickened they exercise faith and repentance. God doesn't do the repenting and believing for them, but by divinely quickening them, it changes their nature, frees their will, so they can exercise them. They are both gifts of regeneration.
 
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LeeLoving said:
That Jesus shed His blood and died for me on the cross and that He rose from the dead the third day?

Is there anything else that would need to be believed for salvation?
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It would depend what sect or person you would ask that to? Its the reason creeds cannot be used as a law.

Some say yes and then add the oral tradition of men as philosophies of men . . . .making the grace of God to no effect.
 
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Whispered said:
There is only one! God! :)
God is a verb. God's name is not, "God".

If you read the scriptures you will find that God is a spirit.(The Book of John chapter 4 verse 24) And God is holy. (The Book of 1st Peter chapter 1 verse 16). God came to this world as the begotten son of Mary, and His name was Emmanuel, meaning, "God with us". God cannot be looked upon by us that we should live. So, God came to us as one who appeared as a man, but who was also Holy Spirit God, which is why He could perform signs and wonders and miracles, as God is able to.
Jesus the man prayed, and some say, well if He were God was He just talking to Himself? No, He prayed before witnesses to show them how to be Holy. And in the Garden, as the man who was to be put to death on the cross very soon, His perfect human sinless nature was aware of the fate to befall Himself. What we witness in reading of that prayer in the garden of Gethsemane is the example for our own relationship with the indwelling Holy Spirit God. We are in the flesh and yet we are so much more; a temple that carries the greatest wisest power in all of creation within us as our Father, our guide, our Savior.

There are not three, as in a Triune, three separate and distinct persons, God. There is only one. God was not separate from Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit was not separate from the Son Jesus. God is Holy Spirit and Jesus was God.

Do you see how this template fails by contradicting itself?
It tells you, God is not the Holy Spirit, the Son is not God. But in the center it tells you God is that. Take that as truth.
See the center? "God"? God is one. "Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" The Book of Leviticus chapter 6 verse 4
The Book of Isaiah chapter43 verse 11 "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior. "
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I found the best way to explain the trinity is to believe what Scripture records in the Revelation 22:13

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

The Father = The Alpha & Omega
The Son = The First & Last
The Holy Spirit = the Beginning & End

all three are different manifestations of the same being (the LORD God)

you said the name of God is not "God". Well the name of the LORD (the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the God of Israel) is named "God Almighty" as Amos 5:27 tells us

Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,” says the LORD, whose name is God Almighty. -Amos 5:27

So the natural question is who is God Almighty or the LORD? He is one of the 7 Spirits of God as spoken of in the book of Revelation.
 
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I never said anything to the contrary my friend. The very moment someone is quickened they exercise faith and repentance. God doesn't do the repenting and believing for them, but by divinely quickening them, it changes their nature, frees their will, so they can exercise them. They are both gifts of regeneration.
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I would say the very moment someone is quickened they exercise the faith of Christ that works in them which comes from hearing God And therefore believe as His Spirit works in us to make it possible.

John 6 informs us it is the work of God that we can believe in Him not seen not of our own selves.

Faith as repentance. He must do the first work of turning or repenting us, Then as new creatures we can turn towards Him who gives us the power to believe.

Previously as unconverted. . no faith . No turning or repenting power.

Jeremiah 31:18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.
 
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garee said:
Faith as repentance. He must do the first work of turning or repenting us, Then as new creatures we can turn towards Him who gives us the power to believe.
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Faith is not repentance, and repentance is not faith. They are related in that both are required for salvation, but they are definitely not the same thing.
 
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I found the best way to explain the trinity is to believe what Scripture records in the Revelation 22:13

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

The Father = The Alpha & Omega
The Son = The First & Last
The Holy Spirit = the Beginning & End

all three are different manifestations of the same being (the LORD God)

you said the name of God is not "God". Well the name of the LORD (the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the God of Israel) is named "God Almighty" as Amos 5:27 tells us

Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,” says the LORD, whose name is God Almighty. -Amos 5:27

So the natural question is who is God Almighty or the LORD? He is one of the 7 Spirits of God as spoken of in the book of Revelation.
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I would be careful how we name God. There are some who teach if you do not call Him a specific name verbatim like Jehovah .They are missing out on something.

God is not a man as us. He does not have a name to be able to distinguish Him from other gods. All of His names are simply immutable attributes.(many)

His name is Jealous.

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

Exodus 6:3And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

God, powerful Almighty..... El Shaddai

Jehovah. . . God Almighty. (El Shaddai) who has also become the savior of many .

You could say two attributes working together as one.

Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song; he "also" is become my salvation.


Isaiah 26:4 Trust ye in the Lord for ever: for in the Lord Jehovah is everlasting strength:
 
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Faith is not repentance, and repentance is not faith. They are related in that both are required for salvation, but they are definitely not the same thing.
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Can't have one without the other . Like the Father and the Son. Cause and effect.

Repentance is a work of faith. If God does not give a person his faith that works in them. They will not repent as a way of comforting oneself. .

It would seem that when God repents he must first comfort his own self before he give the mercy and grace. It is that work that calls us to trust in the unseen . No man can come unless his labor of love, or works of faith draws us to repent.
 
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Dino246 said:
Faith is not repentance, and repentance is not faith. They are related in that both are required for salvation, but they are definitely not the same thing.
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Agreed. Repentance has nothing to do with salvation, but one can’t get saved without repentance. One must repent and then place their faith in Jesus to save them.
 
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garee said:
I would be careful how we name God. There are some who teach if you do not call Him a specific name verbatim like Jehovah .They are missing out on something.

God is not a man as us. He does not have a name to be able to distinguish Him from other gods. All of His names are simply immutable attributes.(many)

His name is Jealous.

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

Exodus 6:3And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

God, powerful Almighty..... El Shaddai

Jehovah. . . God Almighty. (El Shaddai) who has also become the savior of many .

You could say two attributes working together as one.

Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song; he "also" is become my salvation.


Isaiah 26:4 Trust ye in the Lord for ever: for in the Lord Jehovah is everlasting strength:
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You make a good point and I agree but the names help distinguish throughout Scripture which being or beings is/are speaking or acting.
 
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