Where has Biblical Modesty gone???

Hey Brothers and Sisters in the Lord Jesus Christ

I wanted discuss the importance of biblical modesty specifically for women but it also can apply for men, it seems that many churches have decided to abandon this principle of Godly Modesty in the name of "grace", but this is nothing more than a distortion of what grace means, a distortion of God's Gospel and Will according to the bible. God's intention is that through Grace we are made Holy as it says in 1 Peter 1:15 But as the One who called you is holy, you also are to be holy in all your conduct; 16 for it is written, Be holy, because I am holy.

All your conduct includes the way you dress, as this is according to loving God and neighbor, love does no wrong to your neighbor which includes not dressing in a way that promotes sin, not being a stumbling block, that's not loving at all, dressing immodestly is a sin against God and neighbor that must be repented off.

Anyway, what do you think about modesty? do you see the importance of biblical modesty and are you seeking to fight for it in your church?

This issue is bigger than many people would think and there is much misconceptions about it.

Hey Brothers and Sisters in the Lord Jesus Christ

I wanted discuss the importance of biblical modesty specifically for women but it also can apply for men, it seems that many churches have decided to abandon this principle of Godly Modesty in the name of "grace", but this is nothing more than a distortion of what grace means, a distortion of God's Gospel and Will according to the bible. God's intention is that through Grace we are made Holy as it says in 1 Peter 1:15 But as the One who called you is holy, you also are to be holy in all your conduct; 16 for it is written, Be holy, because I am holy.

All your conduct includes the way you dress, as this is according to loving God and neighbor, love does no wrong to your neighbor which includes not dressing in a way that promotes sin, not being a stumbling block, that's not loving at all, dressing immodestly is a sin against God and neighbor that must be repented off.

Anyway, what do you think about modesty? do you see the importance of biblical modesty and are you seeking to fight for it in your church?

This issue is bigger than many people would think and there is much misconceptions about it.

Modesty means different to different ppl. Decency to some means women are to wear dresses to church and men to wear dress pants and a dress shirt.

To me, decency is wearing that which doesn’t bring attention to oneself.

Agree, it depends what is meant by modesty. I wouldn't expect women to cover their hair or wear dresses to the ground. I would wear long trousers (pants) not shorts.

I would rather someone was in church in the 'wrong' clothes than not at all but better in decent clothes. Here in the Philippines there are a lot of poor people and people live in shorts and T-shirt. Would you refuse them entry because they can't afford decent clothes?

Modesty means different to different ppl. Decency to some means women are to wear dresses to church and men to wear dress pants and a dress shirt.

To me, decency is wearing that which doesn’t bring attention to oneself.

A principal from God's word when understanding the outside and inside is in Matthew which says:
Matthew 23:26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.

This is a common verse that is often distorted and often used against issues of modesty etc.. etc.. for example you hear christians saying things like the inside is most important thing, we dont have to worry about outside things so much... they use this verse and twist its meaning.

Jesus here is NOT destroying "the outside things" with this verse, indeed he is actually establishing the outside things, through the inside. He is telling the Pharisees, that the INSIDE establishes the OUTSIDE, the problem with the pharisees was that they didn't understand righteousness, that righteousness is an inside to outside reality.

The application for Christians with this verse is this: When dealing with outward conduct the internal reality must be established for that outward conduct.

So what is the inside reality that the outside reality in this case for modesty must be founded upon? THAT is the question

Agree, it depends what is meant by modesty. I wouldn't expect women to cover their hair or wear dresses to the ground. I would wear long trousers (pants) not shorts.

I would rather someone was in church in the 'wrong' clothes than not at all but better in decent clothes. Here in the Philippines there are a lot of poor people and people live in shorts and T-shirt. Would you refuse them entry because they can't afford decent clothes?

But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at the height of his stature, because I have rejected him; for God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”[1 Sam. 16:7]

Personally, seeing ppl in church in shorts doesn’t bother me at all. In fact, it wouldn’t bother to hear a minister preach in shorts.

We’ve gotten hung up the exterior of mankind when the interior is the problem.

Immodesty is usually in the eye of the beholder.

Hey Ghoti2, hope your doing well
That's an interesting catch phrase, something that i have often seen people use to dress themselves according to there own definition of what is modest and what is immodest. Ive seen people say stuff like this and then wear shorts shorts to church (sensual and sinful clothing) etc etc.. My mum even thinks that this can be modest.... (wearing short shorts, a popular clothing style today)

But what if the eye of the beholder is God? If God commands his church to dress modestly then obviously there is a biblical guideline or a standard from the word of God itself, that helps us see what type of clothing would be appropriate and not appropriate, aka what clothing fits into the modest box and what clothing fits into the immodest box.

We have to be careful here because we don't want to be all uptight about this, we want people to freely dress in a way that is pleasing to God, yet the bible does have a guideline for this through the OT and NT that we can put together, that helps us get on the right track.

if your really interested, let me know ill bring out the verses, but im lazy you can google it yourself. But i will if people insist.

As we keep telling our offending clients...… "Sorry, your reaction is not the girl's fault."

Sorry i dont understand your statement brother, im a bit confused sometimes? if you could explain more clearly?

Hey Brothers and Sisters in the Lord Jesus Christ

I wanted discuss the importance of biblical modesty specifically for women but it also can apply for men, it seems that many churches have decided to abandon this principle of Godly Modesty in the name of "grace", but this is nothing more than a distortion of what grace means, a distortion of God's Gospel and Will according to the bible. God's intention is that through Grace we are made Holy as it says in 1 Peter 1:15 But as the One who called you is holy, you also are to be holy in all your conduct; 16 for it is written, Be holy, because I am holy.

All your conduct includes the way you dress, as this is according to loving God and neighbor, love does no wrong to your neighbor which includes not dressing in a way that promotes sin, not being a stumbling block, that's not loving at all, dressing immodestly is a sin against God and neighbor that must be repented off.

Anyway, what do you think about modesty? do you see the importance of biblical modesty and are you seeking to fight for it in your church?

This issue is bigger than many people would think and there is much misconceptions about it.