sabbath

The verse you referenced has more than one possibility.

I can think of at least two:

1. It is talking about the Jews, who have not yet entered into their spiritual rest in Christ, of which the day was a type.
2. It is talking about the Church, who have not yet entered into salvation in terms of glorification.

So how is working at the 10 commandments ceasing from works as God did from His?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.


Rest is given as a gift from God. Not something that you can work at and give yourself.

Neither which applies to the ceasing from work as God did. God did not enter into the Spiritual rest which is in Christ Jesus. Nor did God enter into Salvation in terms of glorification.

God ceased from the work of creation on the Seventh Day.


There remaineth therefore a Sabbath rest to the people of God. For he that is entered (past tense) into his rest (the Gospel), he also (besides entering in his rest, the Gospel) he also hath ceased from his own works, AS God did from his.

AS God did from His is a direct comparrison. Meaning just like God did. God worked the first six days of the week, then rested the Seventh. So we are to work the first six days and rest the Seventh. (Heb 4:9-10)

For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again (HE SPEAKS), IF they shall enter into my rest (the Gospel). Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter (the rest in which is the Gospel) therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
(Heb 4:4-6 KJV)

So, before we discuss this passage:

1) What Sabbathkeeping group do you belong to?
2) Does this group affirm the Triune nature of God?
3) Does this group believe Jesus is truly God and truly glorified man?
4) Does this group acknowledge that the 66 books of Scripture are the only source of authoritative divine revelation?
5) Does this group deny the inspired nature of Paul's writings?
6) Do they claim Sabbath-breaking or Sunday observance is, or will be, the Mark of the Beast?
7) Do they believe Sabbath-keeping is the mark of a true believer?
8) Do they view Protestants as being followers of the Roman Catholic church, with Sunday observance as a sign that they are part
of the Great Prostitute of Revelation 17?

Like I have said, there's only a few Sabbathkeeper groups I consider to be legit, sound Christian groups, such as Jews for Jesu and Seventh Day Baptists. Most of the others hold cultic doctrines. All of these things are typical Sabbathkeeper claims.

Its one of my pet peeves the sabbatarians really. I hate the fact that they act all nice and friendly to your face and say "Ooh yeah lets discuss this in Christian love I just wanna keep the sabbath thats all " and to that I say praise God, I got no type of beef with nobody who wants to keep the sabbath. INFACT: I rest on sunday AND saturday so im DOUBLING DOWN.

The problem only arises when these groups claim ridicilous stuff like sunday worship is the mark of the beast and other garbage like that, and they are friendly toward you while doing it, its crazy. You basically just told me I will take the mark of the beast in the future and im double-cursed unsaved yet you told that to me in Christian love LOL.

Well, I was a little worse than that as a Sabbathkeeper..I wouldn't have even addressed you because I considered you an ignorant, blinded, Sunday-observing heathen

I didn't realize that I didn't even understand salvation basics.

It is God that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure.
For We are crucified with Christ: nevertheless we live; yet not us, but Christ liveth in us: and the life which we now live in the flesh we live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved us, and gave himself for us. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Christ in us the Hope of Glory.
So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (word) down from above) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the word) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
For God has said, "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people". (Gal 2:20; Rom 10:6-8; Heb 8:10)

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

If we have entered into His Rest we have ceased from our own works, as God did from His.

If we have entered into His Rest we have ceased from our own works, as God did from His.

Yup. I agree

HEBREWS 4 [9] THERE REMAINETH THEREFORE A REST to the people of God.[10] For HE THAT IS ENTERED INTO HIS REST, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID FROM HIS. [11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Well...Ya see what it says. Now lets see how God rested from His work

HEBREWS 4 [4] For he spake in a certain place of THE SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY from all his works

Yup. God rested the 7th day. The sabbath.

Like I have said, there's only a few Sabbathkeeper groups I consider to be legit, sound Christian groups, such as Jews for Jesu and Seventh Day Baptists. Most of the others hold cultic doctrines. All of these things are typical Sabbathkeeper claims.

Your posts sound like the thrashings of a Judaizer insisting that Sabbath, festivals, and dietary laws must be kept, and those that don't keep them are, in effect, Roman Catholics or their followers.

Seems your telling us the yoke of bondage is the 10 commandments. What do the scriptures say?

GALATIANS 4 [21] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? [22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. [23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. [24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the TWO COVENANTS; THE ONE FROM THE MOUNT SINAI, WHICH GENDERETH TO BONDAGE, WHICH IS AGAR. [25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. [26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.......... [30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Is the above scripture speaking of the 10 commandments as Grandpa claims or is it simply speaking of circumcision?

EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

ACTS 7 [8] And he gave him the COVENANT OF CIRCUMCISION: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs.

BOTH the 10 commandments and circumcision were givin as “covenants”

EXODUS 24 [12] And the Lord said unto Moses, COME UP TO ME INTO THE MOUNT, and be there: and I WILL GIVE THEE tables of stone, AND A LAW, AND COMMANDMENTS which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

LEVITICUS 7 [37] THIS IS THE LAW OF THE BURNT OFFERING, of the meat offering, and of the sin offering, and of the trespass offering, and of the consecrations, and of the sacrifice of the peace offerings; [38] WHICH THE LORD COMMANDED MOSES IN MOUNT SINAI, in the day that he commanded the children of Israel to offer their oblations unto the Lord, in the wilderness of Sinai.

Both covenants, the 10 commandments and the law of Moses were given at Mt Sinai.

JOHN 7 [21] Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.[22] MOSES THEREFORE GAVE UNTO YOU CIRCUMCISION; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.[23] If a man on the sabbath day RECEIVE CIRCUMCISION, THAT THE LAW OF MOSES SHOULD NOT BE BROKEN; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

Circumcision is of the law of Moses and given at Sinai. So which of these, the 10 commandments or circumcision do the scriptures say bring us into “bondage” {Gal.4:24}?

And the winner is....

GALATIANS 5 [1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and BE NOT ENTANGLED AGAIN WITH THE YOKE OF BONDAGE. [2] Behold, I Paul say unto you, that IF YE BE CIRCUMCISED, CHRIST SHALL PROFIT YOU NOTHING.

And again...

GALATIANS 2 [3] But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was COMPELLED TO BE CIRCUMCISED: [4]And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might BRING US INTO BONDAGE:

Christians are NOT obligated to keep the Law of Moses. Period end of story. Just read Hebrews. Without your goggles on.

It amazes me that so many people who feels they are led by the Holy Spirit do not even listen to what scripture tells them, to say nothing of the Holy Spirit. When scripture tells us that to love the Lord is to obey Him they go on and on and on about how they aren't going to listen to any law the Lord gives them spouting this "not under law".

The Lord tells us that we cannot be Gods, we are not perfect and God demands perfectness when He accepts us in heaven. We would have to be perfect if we were under law for perfection. But the Lord takes care of that. Christ was perfect and offers to pay for our sins. When we accept Christ, and not law for this perfection it is accepted as if we were perfect according to law. We aren't under law for that.

But!! We are under law when we follow Christ. We listen to the Lord and the Lord gives us law to live by. To follow Christ, to accept His work for our salvation, we follow Christ. To follow Christ is to be led by the law. It is not bondage, it is freedom. To follow telling lies, to follow hate, to follow taking dope is to be bound.

All you guys screaming about that the Lord blessed a certain day and rebelling against the "law" saying how teerrrribble it is are way, way, way off base.

Are you one of Gods Saints?

REVELATION 19 [7] Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [8] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of SAINTS.

Marriage of the Lamb to the Saints

1 CORINTHIANS 14 [32] And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. [33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in ALL CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS.

1 CORINTHIANS 1 [2] Unto the CHURCH OF GOD WHICH IS AT CORINTH, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, CALLED TO BE SAINTS, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

ROMANS 1 [7] To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, CALLED TO BE SAINTS: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

EPHESIANS 1 [1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, TO THE SAINTS WHICH ARE AT EPHESUS, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

COLOSSIANS 1 [1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother, [2] TO THE SAINTS AND FAITHFUL BRETHREN IN CHRIST WHICH ARE AT COLOSSE: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

DANIEL 7 [27] And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of THE KINGDOM UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN, SHALL BE GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

EPHESIANS 2 [11] Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past GENTILES in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANTS of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] BUT NOW in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

EPHESIANS 2 [18] For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. [19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

REVELATION 14 [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Go read the 4th commandment

Firstly, obedience is not the issue..the question is, obedience to what?

Answer: obedience to everything Christ taught.

Secondly, I have no more sensitivity to observing the Sabbath than I do being physically circumcised. I don't believe there are two separate laws; the Ten Commandments versus the "Book of the Covenant". I believe there is one law; the entirety of the Mosaic Covenant.

And, there is no way that you can observe it, because the Temple and the Levitical Priesthood no longer exist. Therefore, you cannot complete it, even if you you could be obedient to it through your human efforts.

Thirdly, you have no clue what you are saying. There were tons of Gentile slaves who could not be Sabbathkeepers. They had no ability to keep the Sabbath and festivals and live the requirements of the Torah. They had no control over their diet. Do you think that these requirements were in place, yet Paul never provided instructions on how to deal with their Gentile masters requiring conflicts regarding them? I am not naive enough to believe that.

Fourthly, what sect do you belong to? Hebrew Roots? Seventh Day Adventists? Messianic Jews? Do you believe in the Trinity doctrine? Do you believe Jesus is fully God? Do you believe that the 66 books of the OT and NT are the sole inspired word of God?

Like I already mentioned, when you dig into the doctrine of Sabbathkeepers, except for a few groups such as Seventh Day Baptists and Jews for Jesus, you find a bunch of loons who believe crazy stuff.

I wouldn't fellowship with those types..no way, no how.

I was one of them, by the way, before I realized their nuttiness. I would highly discourage anyone from associating with them. There are very few Sabbathkeeping groups I consider to be credible.

By the way, I have a brother who believes the rhetoric of Sabbathkeepers, because we were brought up by a Sabbathkeeping parent. He's a drunk and a fornicator (living with a woman in the past), yet he lectures me on the Sabbath. I bring this up solely to display to others the hypocrisy of some Sabbathkeepers. While criticizing others for meeting on Sunday (the Lord's Day) many of them are involved in blatant immorality. For instance, the SDA organization itself has health care facilities that perform elective abortions on non-Adventist women, and perform abortions on Adventist women who are alleged victims of rape and incest, as well as the child who might have Down's syndrome. Some Adventists won't even witness to Roman Catholics because of their church's abhorrent abortionist practices.

And, I personally meet with my congregation on Sunday now because it is a commemoration of the resurrection. Jesus was risen on the eighth day (Sunday), and believers have entered into the new creation, in a sense, through being joined with him. I don't suppose your theology includes an understanding of union with Christ, so perhaps you can't understand this reasoning, though. I know as a Sabbathkeeper I was extremely ignorant of core salvation concepts.

Firstly, obedience is not the issue..the question is, obedience to what?

Answer: obedience to everything Christ taught.

Secondly, I have no more sensitivity to observing the Sabbath than I do being physically circumcised. I don't believe there are two separate laws; the Ten Commandments versus the "Book of the Covenant". I believe there is one law; the entirety of the Mosaic Covenant.

And, there is no way that you can observe it, because the Temple and the Levitical Priesthood no longer exist. Therefore, you cannot complete it, even if you you could be obedient to it through your human efforts.

Thirdly, you have no clue what you are saying. There were tons of Gentile slaves who could not be Sabbathkeepers. They had no ability to keep the Sabbath and festivals and live the requirements of the Torah. They had no control over their diet. Do you think that these requirements were in place, yet Paul never provided instructions on how to deal with their Gentile masters requiring conflicts regarding them? I am not naive enough to believe that.

Fourthly, what sect do you belong to? Hebrew Roots? Seventh Day Adventists? Messianic Jews? Do you believe in the Trinity doctrine? Do you believe Jesus is fully God? Do you believe that the 66 books of the OT and NT are the sole inspired word of God?

Like I already mentioned, when you dig into the doctrine of Sabbathkeepers, except for a few groups such as Seventh Day Baptists and Jews for Jesus, you find a bunch of loons who believe crazy stuff.

I wouldn't fellowship with those types..no way, no how.

I was one of them, by the way, before I realized their nuttiness. I would highly discourage anyone from associating with them. There are very few Sabbathkeeping groups I consider to be credible.

By the way, I have a brother who believes the rhetoric of Sabbathkeepers, because we were brought up by a Sabbathkeeping parent. He's a drunk and a fornicator (living with a woman in the past), yet he lectures me on the Sabbath. I bring this up solely to display to others the hypocrisy of some Sabbathkeepers. While criticizing others for meeting on Sunday (the Lord's Day) many of them are involved in blatant immorality. For instance, the SDA organization itself has health care facilities that perform elective abortions on non-Adventist women, and perform abortions on Adventist women who are alleged victims of rape and incest, as well as the child who might have Down's syndrome. Some Adventists won't even witness to Roman Catholics because of their church's abhorrent abortionist practices.

And, I personally meet with my congregation on Sunday now because it is a commemoration of the resurrection. Jesus was risen on the eighth day (Sunday), and believers have entered into the new creation, in a sense, through being joined with him. I don't suppose your theology includes an understanding of union with Christ, so perhaps you can't understand this reasoning, though. I know as a Sabbathkeeper I was extremely ignorant of core salvation concepts.

God did not cancel anything, God is eternal.

I don't think you are hearing the word of the Lord.

You speak of following Christ as separate from following God. Christ is God, Christ cannot be separated out as a separate God, they are one. Please read scripture, all of it.

I don't claim that. There is one Being, God, yet three distinct Persons. This is the Trinity doctrine. I am a Trinitarian, since being a cultic Sabbathkeeper who denied the Trinity.

The fact that God blessed the Sabbath has nothing at all to do with the circumcision that God gave us. God gave fleshly circumcision to help man and God then gave the improved covenant that gives that spirit of circumcision as better than the fleshly one. God made the Sabbath part of the ten commandments, God blessed that day for us. It is completely different from a fleshly operation to remind us we belong to God, we belong to God in spirit and truth.

Can you separate applicable commandments by Ten Commandments vs. other commandments? If so, then do you claim that unclean meat laws are still applicable, or festivals? If so, then why? If only the Ten Commandments are applicable, then why would you claim that clean meat laws are still applicable? See the dilemma of your situation? You simply pick and choose what you want.

God did not cancel anything, God is eternal. You would have to ignore the new testament also if you ignore God as God speaks in the old testament as the new testament tells us. 2 Tim. 3: 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, The new testament does not cancel God's word, it fulfills it. The Levitical priesthood is fulfilled in Christ, not cancelled. We are to study the temples and the priesthood to fully understand the temple and priesthood that is fulfilled in Christ, not toss out God's word.

My assertion is this: days and meats are not applicable. Of course, I believe Jesus and his mission are the fulfillment of the Mosaic Laws. Some are still moral commandments, and reflect the image of God as expressed in mankind. For instance, nine of the ten commandments do.

Additionally, Judaizing is a heresy. That is why Galatians was written. Some were claiming Gentiles needed to observe the Mosaic Laws. Physical circumcision was the beginning of this claim.

All your stuff and junk about different sects is hogwash, actually. We are not to make sects our God and religion, we are to follow scripture.

Sects are a relevant topic when discussing heresies. Identifying what sect a person belongs to is helpful in understanding their weaknesses in doctrine. For instance, as I mentioned, if someone is a Seventh Day Adventist, they have to answer for their organization's promotion of abortion, and other aspects of their teaching including their denial of the biblical Trinity (while claiming to be Trinitarians, they are in reality tri-theists). Therefore, it is a relevant topic of discussion.

In fact, if someone is NOT part of a group of some sort, I would wonder why, since Scripture teaches that believers are to be accountable to elders for accountability. They could be some kind of "lone ranger" Sabbathkeeping rebel who is dwelling in paranoid seclusion, but my guess is most of them are part of groups with aberrant theology.