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i think that's a good guess
The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
(Genesis 2:15)
(Genesis 2:15)
Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.
Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.
In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.
(Genesis 3:17-19)
seems to me Adam was a farmer/gardener/vinedresser from beginning to end. i wonder if Eve didn't tend animals(Genesis 3:17-19)
Im sure she helped. She was Adams helpmeet. She wasnt a modern day femenist that we have now days. Proverbs 31 talks about a virtuous woman. I know it wasnt based on an actual person but it describes characteristics of a virtuous woman. And in that description we see she wore many hats and did alot of work for her family. Eve was the mother of all living. I would assume she bore similiar traits of the virtuous woman described in proverbs 31. Thats my guess to your question.
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I postmarked your erlier posts showing you using Hebrews erlier. Yet when asked to interpret scripture in Hebrews you deflect answering based on ludicrous claims.
Sir Guojing your claims are FALSE! You avoid any scriptures that destroy your false doctrine. You cant twist scripture to fit your needs. You cant pick and choose certain scriptures and deny others. SCRIPTURE IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY.
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17 God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.
THIS INCLUDES JAMES AND HEBREWS
Btw you repeatedly suggested scripture was my cake and eat it too? Scripture is not my cake. Scripture is the Word of God the bread of life and living water. It is life. To suggest it is cake and eat it too in secular terms isnt how we treat the Word of God.
Sir Guojing your claims are FALSE! You avoid any scriptures that destroy your false doctrine. You cant twist scripture to fit your needs. You cant pick and choose certain scriptures and deny others. SCRIPTURE IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY.
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17 God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.
THIS INCLUDES JAMES AND HEBREWS
Btw you repeatedly suggested scripture was my cake and eat it too? Scripture is not my cake. Scripture is the Word of God the bread of life and living water. It is life. To suggest it is cake and eat it too in secular terms isnt how we treat the Word of God.
Hi Sorry it has taken me this long to reply, I have had a lot going on and really I wanted to send you more than just one example of errors I have discovered; please don't get me wrong, I love my KJV but nothing beats studying the original language. Anyway, too much time has gone by and so I have decided to just mention the first one that comes to mind which is Genesis 20:16, where the word 'reproved' is used with regard to Sarah, when it actually ought to say 'vindicated' which has a very different meaning. The first phrase puts blame on Sarah when she had not done anything wrong she had only submitted to her husband in the matter; the other clears her name publicly.
If I can remember the other places I will try to let you know; but studying key words in Hebrew and Greek high-lights discrepancies in the KJV in some verses.
If I can remember the other places I will try to let you know; but studying key words in Hebrew and Greek high-lights discrepancies in the KJV in some verses.
I believe Adam and Eve taught their children the truth concerning redemption through what is written in the heavens. I believe all the families were taught by their parents in this manner. Would you not have taken your kids out to observe the heavens and teach your children about redemption? I would have taken my kids out ... God did not leave His people without His Word from time of Adam until it was finally written.
And yes, Cain could have gone out to "contemplate the cosmos" rather than turn from God in a fit of rage. How many of us have turned to Scripture when we have been chastened of the Lord? I know I do.
In Gen 1:14 we read And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years. The "signs, seasons, days, and years" is not just spring, summer, fall, winter. The heavens signal things to come, appointed times, sacred seasons.
Of course, satan has completely corrupted that which God gave to mankind in order to learn the truth concerning redemption and we now have astrology in place of truth. However, this does not negate what God has written in the stars ... His glorious plan to redeem mankind from the bondage of sin and death through our wonderful Redeemer ... the promised Seed of the woman who will crush satan under His feet at the appointed time.
Until then, we bask in the knowledge that God never left mankind without knowledge of His plan to redeem mankind. We now have the written word to share this magnificent promise. So thankful to Father for His love, grace, mercy toward us.
And yes, Cain could have gone out to "contemplate the cosmos" rather than turn from God in a fit of rage. How many of us have turned to Scripture when we have been chastened of the Lord? I know I do.
In Gen 1:14 we read And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years. The "signs, seasons, days, and years" is not just spring, summer, fall, winter. The heavens signal things to come, appointed times, sacred seasons.
Of course, satan has completely corrupted that which God gave to mankind in order to learn the truth concerning redemption and we now have astrology in place of truth. However, this does not negate what God has written in the stars ... His glorious plan to redeem mankind from the bondage of sin and death through our wonderful Redeemer ... the promised Seed of the woman who will crush satan under His feet at the appointed time.
Until then, we bask in the knowledge that God never left mankind without knowledge of His plan to redeem mankind. We now have the written word to share this magnificent promise. So thankful to Father for His love, grace, mercy toward us.
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I disagree with what you’re trying to make this passage say. She didn’t need vindication as if she was completely innocent. Abimelech is saying to Sarah that the truth is now known by all that her "brother" is in fact her husband and that Abraham will serve as a covering of other men's eyes so that they will not look upon Sarah as a potential wife. Thus she was reproved for her part in the deception that almost cost Abimelech his life.
John Gill comments: "behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that are with thee; a protection of her person and chastity: so an husband, in our language, is said to be a cover to his wife, and she under a cover: thus Abraham being now known to be the husband of Sarah, would for the future be a covering to her, that no one should look upon her, and desire her, and take her to be his wife."
Btw, when you go to the “original” languages to correct the Bible, you do know that makes you the final authority of what God has said?
John Gill comments: "behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that are with thee; a protection of her person and chastity: so an husband, in our language, is said to be a cover to his wife, and she under a cover: thus Abraham being now known to be the husband of Sarah, would for the future be a covering to her, that no one should look upon her, and desire her, and take her to be his wife."
Btw, when you go to the “original” languages to correct the Bible, you do know that makes you the final authority of what God has said?
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Cain walked in his own wisdom as opposed to walking in faith. Cain offered man made religion as opposed to the true faith found in Abel. Man made religion is empty. Paul describes it as Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof and gives instruction that we are to turn away (2 Tim 3:5).
1 John 3:12 tells us Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
God tells us how to come to Him. He told Cain and Abel. Abel followed God's Word. Cain did not and threw a temper tantrum when God did not have respect to his offering. When God called him out on his lack of faith, Cain refused to repent, and killed his brother rather than admit his own lack of faith.
We will never be "good enough" in and of ourselves to come to God. We are to come to the Father through the Son. He is our great High Priest, seated at the right hand of God, and we have access to God's grace and mercy in and through the Lord Jesus Christ and Him alone.
1 John 3:12 tells us Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
God tells us how to come to Him. He told Cain and Abel. Abel followed God's Word. Cain did not and threw a temper tantrum when God did not have respect to his offering. When God called him out on his lack of faith, Cain refused to repent, and killed his brother rather than admit his own lack of faith.
We will never be "good enough" in and of ourselves to come to God. We are to come to the Father through the Son. He is our great High Priest, seated at the right hand of God, and we have access to God's grace and mercy in and through the Lord Jesus Christ and Him alone.
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if they are commemorating the lamb(s?) slain to make covering for their parents, and Abel by repeating what God had done shows faith, and Cain by his particular botanical offering is demonstrating the opposite, what is the antithesis in Genesis 3 of the coverings of skin?
figs. how many things did Christ curse while He tabernacled among us?
what/who ever died in His presence?
figs. how many things did Christ curse while He tabernacled among us?
what/who ever died in His presence?
When I see the blood I will pass over....Not when I see the works of your hands I will pass over.
From front to back the bible is soaked in and promotes the BLOOD of the Lamb as the covering that will avert the judgement of God......FAITH into that covering is what covers us in the unadulterated righteousness of Christ and restores our fallen position before God.
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Please note the following:
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
The only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27
The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23).
If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).
The Believer must understand if they by pass the Cross, i.e., the Scrafice, i.e., the Blood of Jesus, then judgement must fall of them. Judgement will always fall on the Sacrifice or the Believer.
Concern this:
The Believer must understand that when God doesn't see the Believers heart exhibiting Faith in His beloved Son "The Lamb of God" in whom He is pleased, you have chosen another Jesus (2 Cor. 11:4) which produces strange fire and strange incenses.
When Aaron's sons Nadab & Abihu, Priests of God, ordained of God, called by God, and anointed by God - failed to take coals of fire from the Brazen Altar (A Type of Calvary), but from another source, and put those coals of fire on the Golden Altar, which sat immediately in front of the Veil, which hid the Holy of Holies, where God dwelt between the Mercy seat and the Cherubim. They were devoured by fire from the Holy of Holies. In other words, to do such was, in effect, to bypass Calvary, which God could not tolerate.
Man can come before God only on one premise, and that is by and through the shed Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. That and that alone, which the Brazen Altar and its Sacrifices typified, gains entrance to God in any Form. When Jesus said, “No man cometh to the Father but by Me,” He was speaking of what He would do at the Cross of Calvary, which would make all of this possible (John 14:6).
If you bypass the Cross (The Lamb of God-The Blood of Jesus) you enter death!
JSM notes
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
The only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27
The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23).
If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).
The Believer must understand if they by pass the Cross, i.e., the Scrafice, i.e., the Blood of Jesus, then judgement must fall of them. Judgement will always fall on the Sacrifice or the Believer.
Concern this:
The Believer must understand that when God doesn't see the Believers heart exhibiting Faith in His beloved Son "The Lamb of God" in whom He is pleased, you have chosen another Jesus (2 Cor. 11:4) which produces strange fire and strange incenses.
When Aaron's sons Nadab & Abihu, Priests of God, ordained of God, called by God, and anointed by God - failed to take coals of fire from the Brazen Altar (A Type of Calvary), but from another source, and put those coals of fire on the Golden Altar, which sat immediately in front of the Veil, which hid the Holy of Holies, where God dwelt between the Mercy seat and the Cherubim. They were devoured by fire from the Holy of Holies. In other words, to do such was, in effect, to bypass Calvary, which God could not tolerate.
Man can come before God only on one premise, and that is by and through the shed Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. That and that alone, which the Brazen Altar and its Sacrifices typified, gains entrance to God in any Form. When Jesus said, “No man cometh to the Father but by Me,” He was speaking of what He would do at the Cross of Calvary, which would make all of this possible (John 14:6).
If you bypass the Cross (The Lamb of God-The Blood of Jesus) you enter death!
JSM notes
Haha, that Hebrews 11 was for a totally different context and I was not even addressing you but addressing the OP. You jumped in and discuss another point.
I already stated that we can learn from the entire bible, and that Hebrews passage is to teach us that in all ages, we need faith to please God. That is always true.
Yes, all scripture is useful for teaching us, I never denied that. But Hebrews and James were written specifically to the Jews and gave them instructions to follow during the time of Jacob's trouble. We in the Body of Christ would be spared from that wrath.
If you don't believe in the pre-tribulation rapture, naturally you would not agree with me, and I understand. But there is no need to get agitated and make accusations of others twisting scripture.
I already stated that we can learn from the entire bible, and that Hebrews passage is to teach us that in all ages, we need faith to please God. That is always true.
Yes, all scripture is useful for teaching us, I never denied that. But Hebrews and James were written specifically to the Jews and gave them instructions to follow during the time of Jacob's trouble. We in the Body of Christ would be spared from that wrath.
If you don't believe in the pre-tribulation rapture, naturally you would not agree with me, and I understand. But there is no need to get agitated and make accusations of others twisting scripture.
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The Lord was speaking about the sin nature (the Law of sin and death-Rom.8:2) would rule over him (the works of the flesh - Gal. 5:19-21). It does so presently with almost all Believers because their Faith is not placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and the Cross (Grace is frustrated 2:20-21); which means the Holy Spirit will not help you.
Concerning this, Paul said:
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Gal. 5
The Lord promised Cain dominion over the Earth of that day, if he would only offer up, and place his trust in, the right Sacrifice; He promises the same presently to all who trust Christ [Matthew 5:5].
JSM study notes
Concerning this, Paul said:
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Gal. 5
The Lord promised Cain dominion over the Earth of that day, if he would only offer up, and place his trust in, the right Sacrifice; He promises the same presently to all who trust Christ [Matthew 5:5].
JSM study notes
I meant everything I told you sir. That includes twisting scripture. You do no have discernment to understand that. You have human intellect and a carnal understanding of scripture. You do not see that we need the Holy Spirit for us to understand the scriptures the way the Holy Spirit wrote them. No one is aggitated. Im sure you wish I were infintile, but im not. You assume too much of yourself for me to be distraught by your lack of knowledge. The problem is yours not mine. I understand scripture and I only want to help others in learning what God teaches us. Its called fellowship. This is what the body of believers does. Why would anyone be aggitated? The Word belongs to God, the Word is the final authority. Im just a vessel who loves Jesus. God bless you. Hope He reveals Himself to you...
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But we CAN study original Greek and Hebrew words by going on Bible Hub and the Internet and looking at root meanings. The KJV is a translation. What was it translated from? There are many translations of the Bible but we cannot say that they are all okay because we are 'trusting that God has preserved His words for today.' He tells us to study to show ourselves approved, and also to seek the ancient paths and that the true worshippers will worship in spirit and in truth. Seeking out truth is more than reading the KJV. The translators were not perfect and this is why we have the indwelling Spirit of God in us who leads us into all truth. Bless His Holy Name. Amen.
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