All things James

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There is not much to go on for a tribulation period. Neil Degrasse Tyson does talk about a 7 year period of time though that begins in the 2,000 year anniversary of the Church. Will actually Pentacost is 50 days after Passover. This is about all I have to go by.

he also is a host of the ancient aliens show
 

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James 5
8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. (Truth spoken during the tribulation, the Lord’s coming is near)

9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. (Jesus is standing ready to return to the earth as Judge and King. During the Church age, Jesus is said to be seated at the right hand of the Father.)
This makes absolutely NO SENSE. To whom did he ask to put this letter in a time capsule? Who did he hand the letter to origianally. Do you think he has a conversation to them saying that this is ALL PROPHECY, not meant for now but circa 2000+ years from now. Be sure to only unseal it then? How would it have helped those to whom he gave it THEN, if it were only applicable after the church rapture......I can go on and on, but no need to. Its all silliness.
 
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There is not much to go on for a tribulation period. Neil Degrasse Tyson does talk about a 7 year period of time though that begins in the 2,000 year anniversary of the Church. Will actually Pentacost is 50 days after Passover. This is about all I have to go by.

hmm I watched the whole thing he didn’t speak about a 7 year period? did you post the wrong vid
 

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This makes absolutely NO SENSE. To whom did he ask to put this letter in a time capsule? Who did he hand the letter to origianally. Do you think he has a conversation to them saying that this is ALL PROPHECY, not meant for now but circa 2000+ years from now. Be sure to only unseal it then? How would it have helped those to whom he gave it THEN, if it were only applicable after the church rapture......I can go on and on, but no need to. Its all silliness.
Was the book of John put in a time capsule? Is most of it future? Would the Lord leave His chosen nation without instruction during the tribulation?

Btw, the kingdom was at hand at the time and the Lord could have set up His kingdom during the time of James’ letter. But since the nation of Israel rejected their Messiah, the tribulation and millennium was postponed. This transition is spelled out in the book of Acts.
 

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In truth, Job had great faith, but his patience fell far short of his faith.

In reading, it shows that by Chapter 3, Job was cursing his days [life] and he continues to complain through to Chapter 37.

Finally, God tired of his complaining, and starting in Chapter 38 spoke to Job giving him a good "dressing down".

Job stayed faithful to God throughout, but his patience was lost rather quickly according to what is written.

Thus, I would rather have the faith of Job than the patience of Job.
 
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The book of James contains doctrinal truths for the Jews living in the last days of the tribulation as they will be scattered and will face all kinds of trouble.

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

The term twelve tribes is used all throughout Scripture, and is always a reference to the nation of Israel as a whole and never to a called out group from that nation. Genesis 49:28, Exodus 24:4, 28:21, Ezekiel 47:13. And the NT is no different: Matt 19:28, Luke 22:30, Acts 26:7, Revelation 21:12. There is no justification for taking this as anything other than an address to the twelve tribes of Israel. In order to make James a Christian epistle would mean to contradict every other usage of this term in Scripture. It is certainly not a reference to the diaspora.
Not all Israel is born again Israel.

I would offer Twelve tribes, like twelve apostles are set aside together as one to represent the bride of Christ the church in Revelation 21 at the close of cannon. . Twelve representing the authority of God. While tribes represent gates for entering in, and apostles walls as foundations that protect from enemies without. Out of all the apostles listed in the new testament (27) God set aside a remnant of 12 for his purpose to mixed with tribes to form the description of His new creation his eternal bride. ,

The tribe of Dan is left out of the description in the book of Revelation. The name is not mentioned once throughout the book. Just as Judas is left out.

13 -1= 12 . twelve the authority of God

It would be like 13 is to signify the letter of the law, as death, the "spirit of judgement" , is now dead . . .having been cast in the fiery judgement .Looking from the standpoint of the last day ( in the Spirit on the Lord's day) spoken of in the first chapter of Revelation. lookin back (past future present)

.Naming that tribe "Dan" meaning: "Jehovah is Judge" to signify the letter of the law that kills is used as one that trusted false doctrine signified by the poison of serpents (false doctrine) one falls backward to indicate slain in the letter of the law , no faith, as it is written in the book of the law prophecy.. .

Dan as the spirit of judgement

Genesis 49:16 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

Judas an example of the spirit of judgement at work. He removed from the number that represents the wall as a description of the bride to represent saints on this side of the cross. It would seem to be used as a parable of one that falls backward in Judgment of unbelief. And not forward in admiration and worship .

The same falling backward or falling away describing those who refuse to believe sola scriptura as in all thing written in the law and the prophets. Again representing the letter of the law kills. like a deadly poison exposing false prophecy as oral traditions of men..

John 18:4-6 King James Version (KJV) Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Described as the spirt of judgement below.

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spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.Isaiah 28:6

Also revealing a few verse down, who and what the judgement is founded on. Men with stammering, mocking lips that mock God in unbelief so God mocks them by speaking in a unknow language to them the promise of Joel to show he is not served by human hands from any nation . God mocking unbelief in mankind.

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.Isaiah 28:11-13

1 Samuel 4:18 And it came to pass, when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell from off the seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck brake, and he died: for he was an old man, and heavy. And he had judged Israel forty years.

Many examples of the spirit of judgement .His not ours. He must increase and us decrease .

Psalm 40:14Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it; let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil.

Psalm 70:2Let them be ashamed and confounded that seek after my soul: let them be turned backward, and put to confusion, that desire my hurt.

Isaiah 1:4Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

12 = grace Christian

13 = no grace natural man under the spirit of judgment
 

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That is why we need to go back and study the origional language.
But we don’t have the originals, so that’s a mute point.
Fallacy: equivocation. JohnR7 said "origional (sic) language"; you said "originals". They are not the same thing.

By the way, the word is "moot", not "mute". :)
 
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In truth, Job had great faith, but his patience fell far short of his faith.

In reading, it shows that by Chapter 3, Job was cursing his days [life] and he continues to complain through to Chapter 37.

Finally, God tired of his complaining, and starting in Chapter 38 spoke to Job giving him a good "dressing down".

Job stayed faithful to God throughout, but his patience was lost rather quickly according to what is written.

Thus, I would rather have the faith of Job than the patience of Job.
seems Jeremiah was sort of the same way if comparing displeasure in days. hmm interesting how many more accounts like that in the bible
 

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John146, overall, I think your theory about the letter of James is incorrect, because it depends entirely on a dispensationalist interpretation of eschatological passages. Disp'ism is one perspective among several, all of which can claim some degree of scriptural support. If (and only if) the disp view is correct (which I don't accept), then your view of James may be true, though I doubt it for other reasons. If any other end-time view is correct, your view of James is not.

Do you know the history of the dispensationalist view? If not, I suggest that you have homework to do.
 

John146

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Do you know the history of the dispensationalist view? If not, I suggest that you have homework to do.
I really am not interested. How I view Scripture is by rightly dividing, knowing the audience and God’s economy for each. The twelve tribes only means the nation of Israel as a whole, not Christians from that nation.
 

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John146, overall, I think your theory about the letter of James is incorrect, because it depends entirely on a dispensationalist interpretation of eschatological passages. Disp'ism is one perspective among several, all of which can claim some degree of scriptural support. If (and only if) the disp view is correct (which I don't accept), then your view of James may be true, though I doubt it for other reasons. If any other end-time view is correct, your view of James is not.

Do you know the history of the dispensationalist view? If not, I suggest that you have homework to do.
Can you point out any of my posts that are false in this thread concerning James? Only then can we have a discussion.
 

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Does this sound like the body of Christ?

James 4
1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? The body of Christ? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? Sounds like wars and rumors of wars.
2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. Is this church doctrine? Ye kill? If so, one needs to allegorize this entire passage.
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. Sounds like the book of Matthew.
4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Adulterers and adulteresses? Is this the Church?
 
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Does this sound like the body of Christ?

James 4
1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? The body of Christ? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? Sounds like wars and rumors of wars.
2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. Is this church doctrine? Ye kill? If so, one needs to allegorize this entire passage.
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. Sounds like the book of Matthew.
4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Adulterers and adulteresses? Is this the Church?
world language cursing at each other talked wicked things James 3
 
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Fallacy: equivocation. JohnR7 said "origional (sic) language"; you said "originals". They are not the same thing.

By the way, the word is "moot", not "mute". :)
What I mean is the Hebrew language at the time of Moses. At the time they were living in the wilderness for 40 years and a tent was their dwelling. A camel was a lot better transportation then a Camel. Today people live in high rise apartments and travel on Jet Planes. So we need to look at the meaning of the words at the time the Bible was written. Then we can see how the Bible applies to us today.
 
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hmm I watched the whole thing he didn’t speak about a 7 year period? did you post the wrong vid
The comet goes over Jerusalem on the 2,000 years anniversary of when Jesus died at Calvery on Friday the 13 2029. Then 7 years later the comet goes over Jerusalam on resurrection sunday in the year 2036. This is why I use the year 2029 as the 2,000 year anniversery of the Christian Church. Some of the other dates people use is anywhere from 2027 to 2032
 
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The comet goes over Jerusalem on the 2,000 years anniversary of when Jesus died at Calvery on Friday the 13 2029. Then 7 years later the comet goes over Jerusalam on resurrection sunday in the year 2036. This is why I use the year 2029 as the 2,000 year anniversery of the Christian Church. Some of the other dates people use is anywhere from 2027 to 2032
that is your opinion, I’m just stating what you said about that man mentioning all that it wasn’t in that video.

should just say in my opinion this video is in reference to the event
 
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he also is a host of the ancient aliens show
He is not a Christian but he gets his information from NASA. They are considered to be dependable. If they make a mistake people die. My son is actually working on a electrical circuit board for a robot for NASA to collect soil samples from another planet. I have a niece that works for NASA and they are paying for her PhD in Chemistry.