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Grandpa, were you the one that stated that Yeshua had corruptible flesh? If so, you were completely wrong to make such a blasphemous statement and if that is not what you meant then you need to go back and correct it.

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What Daniel said... "Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him" (Daniel 9:11) and what Yeshua did is take the curse of the law to the cross and not the law, if he didn't the curse will poured upon us.

So the Christian must choose.

1) Rest in Christ and being Gods Workmanship

or

2) Work at the Law and being their own workmanship


A lot of people have chose the same way you have. They don't believe that Christ did what He said He would do. They don't believe that Christ can give what He said He could give.

For some weird reason they would rather work at the law then come to Christ and receive Rest, Righteousness, Wisdom, Sanctification.


The Law was never done away. It was fulfilled in Christ. Only Christ can set us free from the Law. Nobody can set their own self free. So to insist on keeping some parts of the law you are saying that Christ failed in that area. Of course He did NOT fail. The only failure is on the part of the individual and their belief (unbelief).

It is just as ridiculous to say Sabbath was not fulfilled in Christ as it is to say sacrificing bulls and goats was not fulfilled in Christ. But for some reason not everyone gets it. Or maybe they just don't want to.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


I suppose you can't really understand these scriptures until you have come to Christ and received Rest. You'll probably twist it all to mean "except a saturday sabbath" like you have already attempted.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

It appears from this verse that you aren't allowed to cherry pick your favorite laws. If you are going to pick your favorite law to work at then you must pick up the Whole Book of the Law and do all of them.

Did you already know that?[/QUOTE]

1) Rest in Christ and being Gods Workmanship = Doing the works and will of The Father.

For some weird reason they would rather work at the law then come to Christ and receive Rest, Righteousness, Wisdom, Sanctification. = Working at the law which Christ consolidated is how you are drawn to Christ

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Notice verse 16 seems conditional of verse 15.

Galatians 3:10 is in reference to the letter of the law in which one has not accepted the works of Christ and the wages of sin are death.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Lastly dividing the commandments of Christ from resting in Christ seems carnal and not spiritual: just saying.

1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

1) Rest in Christ and being Gods Workmanship = Doing the works and will of The Father.

For some weird reason they would rather work at the law then come to Christ and receive Rest, Righteousness, Wisdom, Sanctification. = Working at the law which Christ consolidated is how you are drawn to Christ

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Notice verse 16 seems conditional of verse 15.

Galatians 3:10 is in reference to the letter of the law in which one has not accepted the works of Christ and the wages of sin are death.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Lastly dividing the commandments of Christ from resting in Christ seems carnal and not spiritual: just saying.

1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.[/QUOTE]---------------------

Please correct me... according to what I am reading you are stating that one does not have to keep the Sabbath day, is that correct?

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Please correct me... according to what I am reading you are stating that one does not have to keep the Sabbath day, is that correct?[/QUOTE]

It has always been lawful to do good on the sabbath. I do verbally tell anyone they do not have to keep any appointed days or times that God ordained for his purposes and our benefits

Yes, at this is all good, as far as I can tell.
But you must tell us if you think works earn salvation, or do works only signify the saving faith that caused them?
We have to know where you're at on this.

It has always been lawful to do good on the sabbath. I do verbally tell anyone they do not have to keep any appointed days or times that God ordained for his purposes and our benefits[/QUOTE]
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With what you are stating is that your word is more powerful then God, to listen to you then God. God gave a command not an option.

In stead of writing a book, give me one passage in the Scriptures that tell us that the Sabbath day is done away with, because what you are doing is removing God's commandment on the Sabbath day and making it an option. The Sabbath was never given as an option, but you are making it an option.

It don't matter because according to the volume of the book salvation does not seem to be unconditional or maintenance free.

Salvation is deliverance or being saved

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

if i look at Jas 2:20 as word problem I see Faith - Works = Death. Basic Math

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

if something is not unconditional or maintenance free it generally requires work but these just my life experiences and observations.

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Let me slide these three verses in below to limit the Pauline Pharisees trying to accuse me

Heb 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

It has always been lawful to do good on the sabbath. I do verbally tell anyone they do not have to keep any appointed days or times that God ordained for his purposes and our benefits[/QUOTE]
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With your above statement what you are stating is to listen to you and not God.

To me it means go further as in develop a relationship with God get to know Him and what He is wanting to do which is save us and develop a relationship with us. Many will claim to be a Christian but they will not really know God probably doing a works based relationship thinking what they do has earned them entry. But God wants us to trust and believe what He says which is one reason I believe that 10 Commandments are still valid to show us what sin is. God said and wrote them in stone so I do believe that the 4th Commandment is an important one as God showed us by example at the end of creation week that He set a special day aside for us to come and develop that relationship together.

When we love God we will want to automatically respect the first 4 commandments and if we love our neighbor we will want to automatically adhere to the last 6 commandments. The sum being love God with all your heart and neighbor as yourself. The 10 don't save us but show us what sin is as told and written by God on Mt. Sinai with 4th referring back to creation because where else did God rest from His work other than creation or Jesus after his crucifixion?

Even back in the beginning when Cain brought a vegetable offering instead of the lamb sacrifice that Able brought. God had instructed that a lamb should be sacrificed not vegetables although God probably would have appreciated them if Cain had also sacrificed a lamb and the vegies were an extra gift. Cain did not do as instructed and Able did.

People want to do what they think is best instead of what God has instructed. It just shows people don't really know God otherwise they would do as he has requested.

Just wanted to add that none of us have all the answers only God has them and we all need to keep going to God to get the answers that is the Holy Spirits job to teach us and help us to find the answers. It does no one any good to come in and think that they have all the answers....kindly I just want to clue you in you don't and neither do I.

We all are on a journey seeking the answers and asking God to help us find and know the truth as the truth will set us free.

We need more mercy and love, patience and understanding that we are not all at the same level in our Christian walk. We are all still learning and seeking.

If anyone thinks they know it all.... well maybe you better think again. God is the only one I know who knows it all.

We need @iymus to affirm that he believes that to........or not. He seems to be avoiding the 'yes' or 'no' question I asked him.

Not just the Sabbaths, but all the various ceremonies associated with the Levitical priesthood and temple.

"18The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God." - Hebrews 7:18-19

We don't draw near to God through the old covenant of law anymore. We draw near through the New Covenant of faith now. There's no more need to draw near to God through the old way for those who have already drawn near to God through the new way. That's why the old way is said to be made obsolete, not destroyed. It simply isn't needed anymore and so it got laid aside intact because we have drawn near to God through the new and better way of Christ. That doesn't mean you can't perform the old covenant rituals. It means you don't have to. You can't be condemned by them anymore. What they sought to do is already done for you, forever, through your faith in Christ. So no outstanding debt of those laws stands against you anymore.

Many of our friends here, has not been divinely impressed yet of the true sabbath and we cannot blame them.

God is longsuffering, gentle and not willing that any such perish. Until every individual on earth has been divinely impressed on the true sabbath and understand it significance. Everybody will make a decide to follow God fully or reject.

When every case has been decided. The end will
Again you do not understand. The new covenant, God said He will put His laws in the heart of His people. Meaning if you true follower of Christ, outwardly it will show of a internal heart change.

The manner believers was saved was always through faith as today and always has been. The Israelites of old didn't had to work their way into heaven. Let revert back to thd example of Abraham. Wasn't he saved by his faith by righteousness.

They also had to have faith and follow the commandments of God. And if you say that you got faith, it will demonstrate in the way you live.

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I commend you for what you wrote in the above, but you still did not answer the question... Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. The reason this question was ask was because you stated that JW's and Mormons as long as they believe will entire the kingdom of God. Unless, now you accept the truth of the Scriptures that one indulging in a false doctrine are not saved. Why do people leave those false doctrines, becoming true Christian? They had a heart for God and God made sure to pull them away.

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I noticed that which is why I asked him and put a question/statement that he has not answered.

Circumcision (the other sign commandment) has no value in Christ:

"6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." - Galatians 5:6

So, why does the weekly Sabbath have value in Christ? Why does it count when not even the epitome of law keeping (circumcision) counts?


Which is precisely the reason Paul gives for not having to draw near to God through the ceremonies of the old covenant. Paul uses Abraham to show that justification happens by believing the promise God made to raise up a Son who would inherit the blessing on our behalf, and that justification can not occur through the works of the law (circumcision, Feasts, Sabbaths, etc.).

Why does the weekly Sabbath (of all the Sabbaths and all the other ceremonial works of the law) stand alone as the ceremony that must be kept because a person has faith in Christ? In this New Covenant, not even the most sacred of all ceremonies, outward circumcision, has to be obeyed, yet, you claim that Sabbath keeping does have to be obeyed. The outward weekly Sabbath observance does not have to be performed anymore for the same reason outward circumcision does not have to be performed anymore. The true Sabbath Rest is accomplished through faith in Christ, just as the command for the true circumcision is accomplished through faith in Christ.

1) Rest in Christ and being Gods Workmanship = Doing the works and will of The Father.

For some weird reason they would rather work at the law then come to Christ and receive Rest, Righteousness, Wisdom, Sanctification. = Working at the law which Christ consolidated is how you are drawn to Christ

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Notice verse 16 seems conditional of verse 15.

Galatians 3:10 is in reference to the letter of the law in which one has not accepted the works of Christ and the wages of sin are death.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Lastly dividing the commandments of Christ from resting in Christ seems carnal and not spiritual: just saying.

1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.[/QUOTE]

Hebrews 4:1-3
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.


The difference between working at the law and resting in Christ is the same difference as belief and unbelief.

Hebrews 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.


Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.



Its so weird that legalists always try to make Resting in Christ mean working at the law. Resting in Christ is NOT working at the law. All you have to do is read the New Testament a few times to find out.

No one keeps the Sabbath day. Except in the imagination of their own mind.

Romans 9:31-32
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;


So, once again, you have a choice. Rest in Christ. Or work at the law.

Working at the law is not of faith.

Only Resting in Christ is of faith.

No one keeps the Sabbath day. Except in the imagination of their own mind.

Romans 9:31-32
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

So, once again, you have a choice. Rest in Christ. Or work at the law.
Working at the law is not of faith.
Only Resting in Christ is of faith.
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Grandpa, you stated the above and I will respond...

If they kept the Sabbath prior to Yeshua, why do you think it is impossible today. Give me one answer instead writing a book. I know many like you that love to write books in their response.

You are corrupt about Romans and you can see it in Acts 15, that is not stating that the law is done away with. The Scriptures tell us that if walk after the Spirit the Spirit will fulfill the righteousness of the law. Do you agree with this verse in the Scriptures? If so, then your argument fails, if no, the you are disagree with Scriptures. All you do is throw Scriptures, you are so set in your mind that you will not fairly weigh what it is posted.

You said, so, once again, you have a choice. Rest in Christ. Or work at the law. I will take this that you are lawless. Read the Epistle of James carefully, and we all know that the law is not of faith that not an excuse to trash the law, and that is what you are doing trashing the law.

You need to reading tell God to remove the scales you have in your eyes.