You actually think Jesus was born from the Holy Spirit?

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iymus

iymus

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7seasrekeyed said:
oh great

another soothsayer of unknown origins who professes no knowledge of what they believe but expects to be taken seriously as the current reigning monarch of the forums

and by the way, there is spelled THERE and not their. their refers to someone. there refers to an apple or similar

example: their wedding was in February

the apple was over there



belief should be believe

obviously you do believe something, but it is not Christianity

seriously. you guys just cannot hide that face
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no comment since this post directed at me seems to be all fluff and no substance. Thank you though since all you have to offer is a spell check. the most important things is the message being conveyed. once the intention is being understood i do not mind if a word or two misspelled. doing a lot of typing today. not a machine. :)
 
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Mii said:
I personally, don't think this would be a common misconception at all though. As it is clear in scripture that she conceives without knowing a man. Yes, there are similarities between that and legends and probably interesting to study is the timeline of these myths.

Unless you have a further distinction to be made. There are additional angles to present, but unless they are discussed, I don't feel so inclined. Regardless, the "immaculate conception" requires faith/reasoning either way.
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Hello Mii :) Thank you as always for your very thoughtful replies :D

The legends that promote virgin births are not similar at all because quite factually they are not virgin births at all ;) For instance, the myth of Isis having a virgin birth tells how she used the severed phallus of Osiris to conceive, and since they were already married for who knows how long, she was not a likely candidate for being a virgin in the first place.

Also, the so-called immaculate conception does not have to do with the birth of Jesus, but of Mary herself, which puts forth the Roman Catholic ex cathedra dogma claiming she was kept from the stain of what is commonly called original sin, purportedly so that the Son of God would be born free from this as well... as if He needed Mary's help to be sinless :oops:
 
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Anyone who has trouble believing that God (Who created the universe and all that is, and gave life to us) could not cause a virgin to conceive without the help of a man and his organ, may be in dire need of examining their beliefs about God :)
 
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iymus said:
no comment since this post directed at me seems to be all fluff and no substance. Thank you though since all you have to offer is a spell check. the most important things is the message being conveyed. once the intention is being understood i do not mind if a word or two misspelled. doing a lot of typing today. not a machine. :)
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is the fact you state you are not sure of what you believe, basically call a long time member here a liar, all fluff too?

plenty of hot air from you IMO
 
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garee

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iymus said:
First and foremost the Seed of Joseph is of the seed of Abraham which goes back or originates from the Seed of Adam.

Rom 1:3 ConcerningG4012 hisG848 SonG5207 JesusG2424 ChristG5547 ourG2257 Lord,G2962 whichG3588 was madeG1096 ofG1537 the seedG4690 of DavidG1138 accordingG2596 to the flesh;G4561

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Look up Seed in the Greek it is Sperma; sperm comes from a man.

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Virgin Birth is a young woman of marriageable age or newly married woman that conceives and bares a child.
Like a Teenager would be considered a Young woman of marriageable age for example. A Teenage Pregnancy leads to a Teenage birth just as an Virgin Pregnancy leads to a Virgin Birth.

There are at least four instances that Joseph is referred to as the Father; not listing all four.

Joh_1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
Joh_6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

Also prophecy is not open to any private interpretation and their is no mention of a virgin of virginity birth but virgin birth.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
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Now a Virgin of Virginity birth is a woman that somehow immaculately get's pregnant without the Seed/Sperma of Man; Refer to God Man pagan deities such as Tammuz, Hercules and a plethora of others.
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We must be careful how we hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches. . . denominations, us.

Mary is used as a demonstration to us as an example of a chaste virgin bride. A new creation that does not seek to fornicate with the gods of this world. a supernatural birth. An example of having no gods before our living God, Christ Jesus. The freed woman spoken of in Galatians 4 .as the mother of us all . Paul and Timothy are used that way A new creation neither male nor female Jew nor gentile. .Paul in pains of labor offering the gospel to Timothy and like a zealous mom desiring her daughter have a loving husband. Paul espouses Timothy . A parable of the new order

Galatians 4:19My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Change the meaning of one word it can change a whole doctrine. The word seed is used two ways in the Bible . One with the seed or seeds of men the temporal seen as in flesh gives birth to flesh .And the other the spiritual seed as in one not many like seed of mankind. The father of Spirits gives birth to spirts.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit

Takes two to tangle. One to create new spirit life. . the spark of life..

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

The corruptible that mankind are born after use the temporal lineage of men to help us try and understand the mysteries he has hid from natural mankind. The images are representations of the eternal not seen .Things that faith must be mixed with or we can miss the gospel understanding.

No glory follows after the flesh as the Son of man, Jesus .The seeds of corrupted mankind. But does come after the Christ the spiritual seed (one) The Son of God our high priest continually remains without genealogy. God is not a man as us.

Romans 1:2-4 King James Version (KJV) (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Hebrew 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
 
Dino246

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garee said:
Mary is used as a demonstration to us as an example of a chaste virgin bride.
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No; Mary IS a chaste virgin bride. She's not a "demonstration".

garee said:
A new creation that does not seek to fornicate with the gods of this world. ... An example of having no gods before our living God, Christ Jesus. The freed woman spoken of in Galatians 4 .as the mother of us all .
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No; Mary is simply the woman whom God chose to bear His Messiah, Jesus.

garee said:
Paul and Timothy are used that way A new creation neither male nor female Jew nor gentile. .Paul in pains of labor offering the gospel to Timothy and like a zealous mom desiring her daughter have a loving husband. Paul espouses Timothy . A parable of the new order
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No; Paul doesn't "espouse" Timothy. That's corrupt thinking of the worst kind, and it's not a parable.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Since the Holy Spirit Himself has revealed through Luke that Jesus was supernaturally CONCEIVED by the Holy Ghost (not born from, since He was born from the virgin Mary's womb), what makes you think that something else happened?

LUKE 1
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Please note: extensive quotations from the Early Church Fathers (ECF) mean little or nothing to Bible-believing Christians. The ECF had written many good things, but they also introduced a whole host of doctrinal errors. Scripture is our final authority.
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I already said that.

I was born of/from both of my parents.

What exactly do you think the HS did in that text?
 
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could we have some definitions of what is being discussed. thanks, daniel
 
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7seasrekeyed

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TheLearner said:
could we have some definitions of what is being discussed. thanks, daniel
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it's Jan 2 and people are maxed out on turkey n stuff and need a walk but they are napping instead

not me though

gotta walk the dogs :giggle:
 
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7seasrekeyed

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oh and sometimes trolls pass through here and try to sound all important 'n stuff

that can happen any time and does not need to be a holiday
 
iymus

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First and foremost Luke Chapter 1 account is before Matthew Chapter 1 account.

Secondly Luke 1:35 does not contradict

Joh 7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?

Luk 2:4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) Bethlehem
 
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Yes, the Holy Spirit formed Jesus in the womb of Mary.

The Book of Luke chapter 3 The Genealogy of Jesus Christ
23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,[a] the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon, 33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
 
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iymus said:
Born from the Holy Spirit and also the House and Lineage of David thru the Seed of Joseph.

Their is a difference between a Virgin Birth and Virgin of Virginity Birth. One of them is not the natural order and under the law, along with being in conformity with prophecy
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This forum now seems to be a vehicle for false preachers.. I used to come in here and deal mostly with Christians and seekers.. Now it seems this place is filled up with roman catholics with their promoting of the roman catholic teachings like mary being an ever virgin and guys like iymus who deny the virgin birth of Jesus..

Soon they will have to change the name of this site from Christian chat to something else.. Maybe One world religion ecumenical chat?? Or cult chat??
 
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Magenta said:
Hello Mii :) Thank you as always for your very thoughtful replies :D

The legends that promote virgin births are not similar at all because quite factually they are not virgin births at all ;) For instance, the myth of Isis having a virgin birth tells how she used the severed phallus of Osiris to conceive, and since they were already married for who knows how long, she was not a likely candidate for being a virgin in the first place.

Also, the so-called immaculate conception does not have to do with the birth of Jesus, but of Mary herself, which puts forth the Roman Catholic ex cathedra dogma claiming she was kept from the stain of what is commonly called original sin, purportedly so that the Son of God would be born free from this as well... as if He needed Mary's help to be sinless :oops:
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Thank you also :)

Ironically, though I wasn't aware of the specifics with that particular myth, that was what I meant by not presenting other angles unless it came up. I watched a film when I was 13 that sort of opened up the concept, as did in vitro (fert.)


I was a tad leery of using the term "immaculate conception" (wasn't sure why at the time) but I couldn't think of another term that is used other than virgin birth, and I was attempting to make a distinction between the two (human and "of God"). Ty for letting me know it is mostly Mary centric. I'm not sure if each and every catholic sees Mary as a co-redemptress or not and while I've heard of it, none of the catholics I've met mention that in spiritual conversation, so it sort of slips my mind. I just find it hard to believe it could be even anywhere close to the center of their walk and on the level of the Trinity.


The only thing I'm aware of regarding Mary is that she was "highly favored" and "blessed among women", potentially why she was chosen. Or perhaps, the honor itself made her so. Not sure...I focus very little on Mary, other than it's cool that Jesus knew what it was like to have a mother. It's a curious relationship between a mother and son. Frankly quite frustrating at times, but unique for sure.
 
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iymus said:
no comment since this post directed at me seems to be all fluff and no substance. Thank you though since all you have to offer is a spell check. the most important things is the message being conveyed. once the intention is being understood i do not mind if a word or two misspelled. doing a lot of typing today. not a machine. :)
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but you did comment and there ^^^^^^^it is. :sneaky:
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
is the fact you state you are not sure of what you believe, basically call a long time member here a liar, all fluff too?

plenty of hot air from you IMO
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he's actually been a member here longer than you.

what he meant by fluff is that you didn't substantively challenge anything he said; you just corrected his spelling and called him names. he's not really wrong about that. compare how you replied with how, for example, Nehemiah did in post #15. he didn't say much, but he did refer to a fact that refutes Iymus' rejection of the virgin birth of Christ, Luke 1:34-35.
 
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posthuman said:
every time i've seen one of these signs on the highway this picture is what i've imagined :LOL:

and not just 'monitoring' speed limit, enforcing it!
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I've heard stories in Florida that they send you a ticket in the mail. One was from a preacher, although it may have been some sort of "ice breaker". The only place I can recall is I-95 and maybe the eastern end of I-4 with the signs.

Although I'm pretty sure it says "air patrolled" in FL :p
 
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