Torah Observant Christians.

The discussion I started with regards to “Tithing” was interesting to say the least. This brings me to another topic I would like to hear from people on. Torah observant Christians. Of course there plenty of scripture in the NT contrary to this brief, but I would certainly like to heard others views on the subject. Enjoy!

Should Christians follow Torah? No. There is not a single command for the Gentile believers in the New Testament to tell them to do so.

I would strongly advice against going for the Torah observant movement because of the dangers it presents, two of my main concerns are:

-If they "keep torah" but say they do not do it for salvation, they tend to also put Christians into categories where the torah observant ones are the superior ones.
-If they "keep torah" for salvation purposes then we got salvation by works which is another Gospel that does not save.

Here is a list of all Torah commandments:
https://www.gospeloutreach.net/613laws.html#NCs

I think a lot of these commandments still apply.

I'd say this is more of a hornet's nest than tithing. There are several on this forum who advocate for Torah observance.

Some of them have even read Galatians.

Hello @Aerials1978, if Christians use the Law as behavior checklist (IOW, as a means of knowing/understanding what it is in God's eyes to be holy and righteous), that's a good use of the Law. The idea that anyone can "keep" the law/keep Torah is not, because no one can .. cf James 2:10-11.

The Law can't save anyone .. e.g. Galatians 2:21, 3:21-22 (nor was that ever God's intention in giving it to us .. cf Romans 3:20, Galatians 3:24), but it is, first and foremost, meant to 1. help us see ourselves for who we really are (lost sinners) and then 2. drive us to the precious feet of the One who can (save us, that is ).

God bless you!

~Deut

I thought this might prove to be helpful, an explanation of The Threefold Use of the Law (outlined for us by Nathan W. Bingham).


~Deut
p.s. - for a little bit more on this topic, go here: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/which-laws-apply/

Brother, it seems to me that creating a "hornet's nest" is what this particular board is all about much of the time

~Deut

I have to disagree. If one is it to follow a portion of these Laws, one must follow all of them. Even the Israelites couldn’t do that. The letter from Apostles to the Church or Antioch addressed Christian Believes whom wanted to be observant to all of the Hebrew Laws.

One would think this issue was resolved 2000 years ago. Some Christians believe this will make they more acceptable to God. Of course it won’t.

Are the 10 Commandments set apart from the Torah and do they apply to Christianity today or just the 2 Jesus quoted in which the others hang?

I would say they don’t. Again these were given to the Hebrews. Are they standards in which Christians should strive for with regards to their faith? I would say yes. This of course will not earn you salvation. We have already broken these commandments which makes us law breakers. If we do break them we should always repent.

Follow Torah???
First off, you need a Temple, a Priesthood and PETA will never let you get away with the animal sacrifices.
Otherwise, you can pretend you are following Torah.

Many of them just reduce the Torah to trying their best to keep the 2 greatest commandments.

It is not a requirement to live by the Torah, but it is not forbidden either I don't think. It is not a sin if one wants to follow them. I think there is a lot of value added to many of the commandments, and many are an extension of the 10 commandments. However the person should keep in mind we are not under the law.

(Referencing Acts 15:1-35) In the first years of the Christianity as Gentile believers were being drawn to Christ, there was a prevailing thought that the first thing that should be done is that these Gentiles first convert to Judaism and follow the Mosaic Law before they could be saved. About AD50, the leaders of the church (Peter, James, Paul and Barnabas among them) gave instructions which included only avoiding food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from them meat of strangles animals and sexual immorality (v29).

If we were to strictly follow the Torah, then our salvation would be dependent upon earning that salvation through the work that we must do in order to follow the law. This is opposite to what Paul wrote in Ephesians 2:8-9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast."

Correct. The Torah contains the Old Covenant -- the Law of Moses. The New Testament contains the New Covenant -- the Law of Christ. You cannot have both at the same time. When the issue of Torah observance came up, the Holy Spirit, the apostles, and the elders at Jerusalem were all on one accord. The primary issue was the consumption of blood by Christians and meats sacrificed to idols. Blood was forbidden from the time of Noah. (Fornication is excluded in both covenants).

Torah definition is - the body of wisdom and law contained in Jewish Scripture and other sacred literature and oral tradition.

By those kind of traditions the word of God is made to no effect. And it becomes a law of men called the law of the fathers or kings..

One Devine unseen authority as it is written (sola scriptura) not two

Law of the father #80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the "same goal."

The "same goal" makes the word of God without effect.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Where did you get that definition?

Hello Dino, (I hope that you and @garee don't mind if I jump in here) Jewish tradition teaches the Moses gave us two "Torahs", the Written Torah and the Oral Torah, so they believe that just like the OT, their oral Tradition came from God and was given to them by word of mouth through Moses.

Of course, what Jesus revealed to us about Jewish "Tradition", their "Oral Torah", in the Bible .. e.g. Matthew 15:1-9, tells us that their claim of a God-given oral tradition cannot be true.

~Deut

Deut - are you talking about the talmud here when speaking of the oral tradition?