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PS

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You know you could also pull the women card too if you like..... I know some men that are so legalistic in their understanding that a woman has to be absolutely silent when they discuss (not teach ) on any point of scripture.

Umm and that weight is all muscle!! Hahaha
Gender is irrelevant, but dictating to others and throwing your weight around is another matter altogether.
 

Lightskin

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You know you could also pull the women card too if you like..... I know some men that are so legalistic in their understanding that a woman has to be absolutely silent when they discuss (not teach ) on any point of scripture.

Umm and that weight is all muscle!! Hahaha
Ahhh, a mute woman. ❤️

Hey, I can dream can’t I? 😎
 

CherieR

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Stop it with your error. God can do anything. He can remove such grace as we might have, he can send us to Hell, and he gave us free will to either accept Him, reject Him or change our mind. You are not God to say what He can and cannot do like the Pharisees tried to do with Jesus. Just who do you think you are, judging people and telling them they are either right or wrong?

When you compare @EleventhHour to the Pharisees that had opposed Jesus , you make a wrong judgement of her. The Pharisees that were against Jesus hated him and plotted against him. @EleventhHour loves Jesus and depends on him as her Savior.
 

VCO

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You know people like PS, make it easy to Accept Jesus; and then tell them you have to work hard to Keep your supposed Salvation.

But that is NOT the way Jesus Himself explains SALVATION, which is ONLY when you enter the Narrow Gate.

Matthew 7:13-23 (NKJV)
13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and
there are few who find it.

15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.


22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' {.<-- Notice, HOW RELIGIOUS THESE PEOPLE WERE, THEY DID LOTS OF WORKS, THINKING IT SAVED THEM.}

23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

It is NOT about Religious works that Preserves to get them Saved,
IT IS ABOUT A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM AND TOTALLY TRUSTING IN HIM TO DO IT ALL, THAT SAVES ETERNALLY, from the beginning on.
 
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EleventhHour

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Ahhh, a mute woman. ❤️

Hey, I can dream can’t I? 😎
Like the song.....Dream On by Aerosmith.

Woman were created to talk men to death by virtue of the strong language center in the brain ...that is why men typically die first.

I call it pay back for pain in child birth.
:)
 

Lightskin

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Like the song.....Dream On by Aerosmith.

Woman were created to talk men to death by virtue of the strong language center in the brain ...that is why men typically die first.

I call it pay back for pain in child birth.
:)
I don’t know about childbirth but I do know the full scale pains associated with talking to worker bees. Just saying. 😊
 

Melach

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I don’t know about childbirth but I do know the full scale pains associated with talking to worker bees. Just saying. 😊
imagine being an employer. you ask your worker why do you work so hard bro? he says i want to be the best worker i can be for u. im so thankful for this opportunity.

you think tthats a good worker i have

you ask someone else and he says: i want to be the best worker i can for you so i dont get fired and lose my job
 

PS

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An honorable sentiment... however
salvation is not earned and neither can it be forfeited.
Anyone whose teaching is different from scripture is a false teacher.

Hebrews 6:4-6 - It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Hebrews 10:26-31 - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God

2 Peter 2:20-22 - If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

2 Peter 3:17 - Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
 
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EleventhHour

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Anyone whose teaching is different from scripture is a false teacher.

Hebrews 6:4-6 - It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Hebrews 10:26-31 - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God

2 Peter 2:20-22 - If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

2 Peter 3:17 - Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Let's go back to square one....if you agree salvation is not earned can you tell me how one is saved?

No point arguing the finer points of scripture till you correctly understand the Gospel.

As a woman I can tell I have lots and lots of patience even though I talk too much.

So explain the Gospel please?
 

PS

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Let's go back to square one....if you agree salvation is not earned can you tell me how one is saved?

No point arguing the finer points of scripture till you correctly understand the Gospel.

As a woman I can tell I have lots and lots of patience even though I talk too much.

So explain the Gospel please?
I'm not answering to you. Go away. You are the one who is in error. You say you cannot lose your salvation and the Bible clearly says we can. Are you making a lie out of scripture. Please explain yourself and make it good.
 

CherieR

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The debate over can salvation be lost or not has been going on a long while. In my opinion, whichever stance one takes on the subject, it doesn't do much good to call people false teachers( or other name-calling) who disagree with you. Politeness and courtesy in speech can go a long way in conversations.
 

CherieR

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Let's go back to square one....if you agree salvation is not earned can you tell me how one is saved?

No point arguing the finer points of scripture till you correctly understand the Gospel.

As a woman I can tell I have lots and lots of patience even though I talk too much.

So explain the Gospel please?
People first getting to know me tend to think I'm quiet and shy but if if you give it some time...


Ok, so the bird may be a bit of an exaggeration.
 

Melach

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People first getting to know me tend to think I'm quiet and shy but if if you give it some time...

Ok, so the bird may be a bit of an exaggeration.
hahaha i love that meme. but you know im like that too. im really quiet at first and dont really make much noise but when people get to know me its blablablablablabla
 
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EleventhHour

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I'm not answering to you. Go away. You are the one who is in error. You say you cannot lose your salvation and the Bible clearly says we can. Are you making a lie out of scripture. Please explain yourself and make it good.
So which one is it "go away" or "explain yourself?"

Why are afraid to answer my question?
 

Melach

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So which one is it "go away" or "explain yourself?"

Why are afraid to answer my question?
lol he does many things like that. the one i highlighted was earlier he said it cant be revoked then same sentence he says but it will be revoked from the wicked or something like that