Is satan a fallen angel?

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We are not taking about pharaoh are we, stay on topic or let’s end it
If Pharaoh king of Egypt is a tree in the Garden of Eden in Ezekiel 31; how therefore do you not understand the King of Tyre was an anointed cherub in the Garden of Eden in the book written by the same prophet, in the same section of the book in the testimonies against all the races and their kings?
 

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No, the King of Babylon is a man that made the earth tremble. Such a king of Babylon is found also in the scriptures later on after Isaiah's time. His name was Nebuchadnezzar.
Yeah, a man that was in Eden and was in heaven? I don't think so. The king of Babylon is a symbolic name applied to Satan. It is the same for the Prince of Persia who opposed the angel that was sent to Daniel. In fact, Michael the Archangel had to come and help him. You think that the following was in reference to the human king of Babylon? You don't know what you are talking about.

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How you have fallen from heaven,

O morning star, son of the dawn!

You have been cut down to the ground,

O destroyer of nations.

You said in your heart:

“I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God.

I will sit on the mount of assembly, in the far reaches of the north.

I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”
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The aspirations above were Satan's, not the human king of Babylon.

How could the human king of Babylon fall from heaven?

You need to pray for some spiritual insight
 

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No, the King of Babylon is a man that made the earth tremble. Such a king of Babylon is found also in the scriptures later on after Isaiah's time. His name was Nebuchadnezzar.
And you think that Nebuchadnezzar was in heaven? It's not talking about him, but about Satan.
 
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Yeah, a man that was in Eden and was in heaven? I don't think so. The king of Babylon is a symbolic name applied to Satan. It is the same for the Prince of Persia who opposed the angel that was sent to Daniel. In fact, Michael the Archangel had to come and help him. You think that the following was in reference to the human king of Babylon? You don't know what you are talking about.

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How you have fallen from heaven,

O morning star, son of the dawn!

You have been cut down to the ground,

O destroyer of nations.

You said in your heart:

“I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God.

I will sit on the mount of assembly, in the far reaches of the north.

I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”
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The aspirations above were Satan's, not the human king of Babylon.

How could the human king of Babylon fall from heaven?

You need to pray for some spiritual insight
No, it is not a name for Satan. The Bible tells you the names of the dragon that they are Satan and Devil.

Compare Isaiah 14 to Daniel 4.

Daniel 4:11-17

11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:

12 The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.

13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;

14 He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:

15 Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth:

16 Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.

17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
 

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You're conflating Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, but they are about two different men.
Biblical prophecy and some of it's major themes seem to be a complete mystery to you and you won't take advice from anyone who has understanding. I give up.
 
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If Pharaoh king of Egypt is a tree in the Garden of Eden in Ezekiel 31; how therefore do you not understand the King of Tyre was an anointed cherub in the Garden of Eden in the book written by the same prophet, in the same section of the book in the testimonies against all the races and their kings?
That is where your fantasy is taking over, kings as trees in the garden of Eden, if there is scripture that supports that notion of trees being kings than I will recant my statement and apologize.
 
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Biblical prophecy and some of it's major themes seem to be a complete mystery to you and you won't take advice from anyone who has understanding. I give up.
It is no mystery, it is very plainly written.

That is where your fantasy is taking over, kings as trees in the garden of Eden, if there is scripture that supports that notion of trees being kings than I will recant my statement and apologize.
Well besides Daniel 4 which I just posted:

Ezekiel 31

1 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the third month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness?

3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.

4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.

5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.

6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.

7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.

8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

10 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;

11 I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.

12 And strangers, the terrible of the nations, have cut him off, and have left him: upon the mountains and in all the valleys his branches are fallen, and his boughs are broken by all the rivers of the land; and all the people of the earth are gone down from his shadow, and have left him.

13 Upon his ruin shall all the fowls of the heaven remain, and all the beasts of the field shall be upon his branches:

14 To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height, neither shoot up their top among the thick boughs, neither their trees stand up in their height, all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death, to the nether parts of the earth, in the midst of the children of men, with them that go down to the pit.

15 Thus saith the Lord God; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.

16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.

17 They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.

18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord God.
 
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No, it is not a name for Satan. The Bible tells you the names of the dragon that they are Satan and Devil.

Compare Isaiah 14 to Daniel 4.

Daniel 4:11-17

11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:

12 The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.

13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;

14 He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:

15 Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth:

16 Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.

17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
No where does it say the tree was in the garden, i hope your not applying any of this to being in the garden, God’s garden
 
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It is no mystery, it is very plainly written.



Well besides Daniel 4 which I just posted:

Ezekiel 31

1 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the third month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness?

3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.

4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.

5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.

6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.

7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.

8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

10 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;

11 I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.

12 And strangers, the terrible of the nations, have cut him off, and have left him: upon the mountains and in all the valleys his branches are fallen, and his boughs are broken by all the rivers of the land; and all the people of the earth are gone down from his shadow, and have left him.

13 Upon his ruin shall all the fowls of the heaven remain, and all the beasts of the field shall be upon his branches:

14 To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height, neither shoot up their top among the thick boughs, neither their trees stand up in their height, all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death, to the nether parts of the earth, in the midst of the children of men, with them that go down to the pit.

15 Thus saith the Lord God; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.

16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.

17 They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.

18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord God.

So let me understand you, your are saying after Adam and Eve the first humans had been forbidden to be in Eden, then some kings and pharaohs came along and got past the flaming sword?
 
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Symbolic symbolic symbolic
 
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So let me understand you, your are saying after Adam and Eve the first humans had been forbidden to be in Eden, then some kings and pharaohs came along and got past the flaming sword?
No, I am merely posting what the Bible says. Will you keep your word?
 
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Lebanon was not in Eden again symbolic symbolic symbolic.

16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
 
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No, I am merely posting what the Bible says. Will you keep your word?
keep my word you bet the best of Lebanon was not in Eden, the trees of Eden are symbolic period
 
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keep my word you bet the best of Lebanon was not in Eden, the trees of Eden are symbolic period
18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord God.


As you can see, the Pharaoh, king of Egypt wished to be like the King of Assyria, and God reminds Pharaoh by the prophet what happened to that mighty cedar of Lebanon.
 
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Correct, Revelation also says Satan is a serpent and a dragon, which is an animal. It also says he is called Satan and Devil.

Where you are incorrect, and I am starting notice this with a fair amount of the people that think Satan is a darling little angel of light, is you think that the trumpet of woe has all ready happened, but this is not so. This will happened towards the end for it is part of the Apocalypse prophecies. If continue to read Revelation 12 you will notice it says that the dragon called Satan and Devil when he is cast to the earth and the third of the angels which side with him, that he will begin to persecute sorely the believers that have the testimony of Jesus Christ. We know that the testimony of Jesus Christ did not come until Lord Jesus was crucified and resurrected and ascended up to the right hand of God in all glory.

Yes of course Satan and his children will never tell you what he really is, they want you to think he is a beautiful angel of light because they have been deceived either by the devil or the traditions of their wicked fathers who were deceived by him. However the Lord God is a God of Truth, you can trust the Lord God to tell you the truth about the Liar.
Satan is Not a Animal, But Satan can use Animals like He use the serpent , to deceive Eve , Just like if we get careles He canuse ME OR YOU or anyone else,
 
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18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord God.
Yes it says what I am saying (thus like) not are trees of Eden but like vastly difference.

God made man in his likeness are we God’s?
 
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Satan is Not a Animal, But Satan can use Animals like He use the serpent , to deceive Eve , Just like if we get careles He canuse ME OR YOU or anyone else,
You have it backwards. Satan is the very same serpent. Satan is a weak pathetic animal, the most cursed of all the animals. His only inherent power is to lie. If you resist his lies, he can't really do anything.
 
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Yes it says what I am saying (thus like) not are trees of Eden but like vastly difference.

God made man in his likeness are we God’s?
God is asking Pharaoh; who are you thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? After just giving a whole exposition on how the King of Assyria, was a mighty tree and he shot his boughs above the other trees of Eden and Lord God cut him down. into hell and made his fall an astonishment.

Yes, God owns everything and everyone.