Is satan a fallen angel?

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JeremiahsCup said:
God is asking Pharaoh; who are you thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? After just giving a whole exposition on how the King of Assyria, was a mighty tree and he shot his boughs above the other trees of Eden and Lord God cut him down. into hell and made his fall an astonishment.

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So God gave Adam and Eve promission to eat off the pharaoh tree in the garden?
 
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When you start looking beyond it being symbolic and an actual tree, then your reach things that don’t line up like eating from trees in the garden.
 
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JamOn said:
So God gave Adam and Eve promission to eat off the pharaoh tree in the garden?
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You know there is a serpent, a subtle animal, that once asked "hath God said you shall not eat of all the trees of the Garden?" This same animal is none other than Satan, and that was the first lie he told.
 
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JeremiahsCup said:
God is asking Pharaoh; who are you thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? After just giving a whole exposition on how the King of Assyria, was a mighty tree and he shot his boughs above the other trees of Eden and Lord God cut him down. into hell and made his fall an astonishment.

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And satan owns the kingdoms of the world for he has to power to give anyone its power, even Jesus was tempted with such power of all the world kingdoms.
 
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JeremiahsCup said:
You know there is a serpent, a subtle animal, that once asked "hath God said you shall not eat of all the trees of the Garden?" This same animal is none other than Satan, and that was the first lie he told.
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No God said eat from any tree except one, so far you named king of tyre as a tree and the Pharaoh as a tree how more trees?
 
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JamOn said:
And satan owns the kingdoms of the world for he has to power to give anyone its power, even Jesus was tempted with such power of all the world kingdoms.
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Does Satan really own all the kingdoms of the world, or was he simply re-telling his triplicate Lies to Lord Jesus? I think Lord Jesus was not tricked. You will serve God and worship him only.
 
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JamOn said:
No God said eat from any tree except one, so far you named king of tyre as a tree and the Pharaoh as a tree how more trees?
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No, you are confused and conflating things now. The prophet Ezekiel calls the King of Tyre a covering cherub and says the King of Assyria and Pharaoh King of Egypt were trees and Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 4 says he was a tree.
 
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JeremiahsCup said:
Does Satan really own all the kingdoms of the world, or was he simply re-telling his triplicate Lies to Lord Jesus? I think Lord Jesus was not tricked. You will serve God and worship him only.
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Sorry but satan ask him to bow to him and then he would give all the power of the world kingdoms, that what you missed
 
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JeremiahsCup said:
No, you are confused and conflating things now. The prophet Ezekiel calls the King of Tyre a covering cherub and says the King of Assyria and Pharaoh King of Egypt were trees and Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 4 says he was a tree.
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Your pointing to trees in Eden as being real evil dudes
 
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JamOn said:
Sorry but satan ask him to bow to him and then he would give all the power of the world kingdoms, that what you missed
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No, I did not miss that, but you are assuming Satan was telling the truth while I believe that Satan was merely lying.

By the way, are you going to keep your word? I have shown the chapter that says two kings were trees in Eden.

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That is where your fantasy is taking over, kings as trees in the garden of Eden, if there is scripture that supports that notion of trees being kings than I will recant my statement and apologize.
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JeremiahsCup said:
No, I did not miss that, but you are assuming Satan was telling the truth while I believe that Satan was merely lying.

By the way, are you going to keep your word? I have shown the chapter that says two kings were trees in Eden.
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You haven’t convinced me enough to apologize, but I will say I do apologize for saying it’s a fantasy that is wrong you have a right to your opinion and I shouldn’t have called it a fantasy

Human kings or spiritual kings? in the garden, if they were human kings there is a lot of unanswered questions like I thought adam was the first man
 
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JamOn said:
You haven’t convinced me enough to apologize, but I will say I do apologize for saying it’s a fantasy that is wrong you have a right to your opinion and I shouldn’t have called it a fantasy

Human kings or spiritual kings? in the garden, if they were human kings there is a lot of unanswered questions like I thought adam was the first man
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I have not stated any opinion.

Well, Pharaoh was a human, and so was the king of Assyria and the Bible definitely says they were trees in Eden.

You can just say that you are not a man of your word if you like.
 
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JeremiahsCup said:
No, the King of Babylon is a man that made the earth tremble. Such a king of Babylon is found also in the scriptures later on after Isaiah's time. His name was Nebuchadnezzar.
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Nebuchadnezzar later repented after a 7 year period of living like an animal and acknowledged God.
 
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And was an anointed cherub.😜
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Another good point John. When was Nebuchadnezzar an anointed cherub? The answer is, never! The king of Babylon is symbolically referring to Satan.
 
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Ahwatukee said:
Another good point John. When was Nebuchadnezzar an anointed cherub? The answer is, never! The king of Babylon is symbolically referring to Satan.
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You are conflating Isaiah 14 with Ezekiel 28, but they are about two different people.
 
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JeremiahsCup said:
You have it backwards. Satan is the very same serpent. Satan is a weak pathetic animal, the most cursed of all the animals. His only inherent power is to lie. If you resist his lies, he can't really do anything.
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Satan is a anointed Cherub . He had the power to bring a wind in on Job children and kill them . He brote Fire down from Heaven in Job's day ,
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of GOD, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, The only thing that protects you from Satan is GOD , And you wouldn't even be as much as a ant to Satan. He has Power that we do not even know about, The reason it is no worse then it is right NOW is GOD is holding him off of us, And protecting us, God is pulling back his protecting power ,As the sins & people of this world gets worse.
Soon you will see a lot more of Satan Power, as GOD takes away HIS protecting power, May God be our protector through these few last days.
 
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bud62 said:
Satan is a anointed Cherub . He had the power to bring a wind in on Job children and kill them . He brote Fire down from Heaven in Job's day ,
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of GOD, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, The only thing that protects you from Satan is GOD , And you wouldn't even be as much as a ant to Satan. He has Power that we do not even know about, The reason it is no worse then it is right NOW is GOD is holding him off of us, And protecting us, God is pulling back his protecting power ,As the sins & people of this world gets worse.
Soon you will see a lot more of Satan Power, as GOD takes away HIS protecting power, May God be our protector through these few last days.
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Satan had to ask God for that power to afflict Job.

Satan's only inherent power is to lie. Resist the Devil and away he runs.

Satan is no cherub, he is a pathetic lying animal.
 
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JeremiahsCup said:
Satan had to ask God for that power to afflict Job.

Satan's only inherent power is to lie. Resist the Devil and away he runs.

Satan is no cherub, he is a pathetic lying animal.
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It is not of you that he fles from, Satan is the prince of this world,
Like I told you GOD's protecting was with JOB,
 
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