Why does God oppose Judaizing?

garee · Feb 4, 2020

Yes rebellious Israel the Judaizers .The other Israel (not born again) No spirit of Christ dwelling in their bodies of death

Mixing faith has every thing to do with .without it no man can hear the gospel. It is why they rebelled they did not mix faith the eternal not seen. They were trusting in the temporal .

They refused to look to the20/20 parable prescription.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

They loved looking though the dark glasses seeking after mysterious wonderments .As a way of self edification. Look what I did I made a noise. . . mentally. the law of prophecy resists that kind of spirit.

1 Corinthians 13:8-12 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

There are no laws missing in the book of the law, the Bible. Need more the skies the limit .

Dino246 · Feb 4, 2020

garee said:

Isaiah 1 says NOTHING about Judaizers. This topic has NOTHING to do with "mixing faith" or not doing so.

Blik · Feb 4, 2020

Dino246 said:

Honestly!!! Then would you tell me what you think judaizing is? And how you can read what God tells us and with your mind so stuck on exact definitions and words you don't know that this chapter is speaking of using wrong ideas in worship. To you it isn't about judaizing because it doesn't use those words, only descriptions. So be it.

Dino246 · Feb 5, 2020

Blik said:

I already explained what I think Judaizing is... in post #2. Wrong ideas in worship is not part if it. Rather it is the attempt to impose old covenant requirements on Christians.

Nehemiah6 · Feb 5, 2020

Blik said:

You are simply trying to defend your false Christianity by making this statement. You have failed to understand the significance of the Old Covenant, and its place in God's plan of salvation. You have also failed to understand the New Covenant. Therefore you teeter-totter between the two.

The Judaizers were Jews (primarily Pharisees) within the apostolic churches who failed to understand the meaning of the FINISHED WORK of Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection. They insisted that besides faith in Christ all Christians were to continue observing the commandments in the Law of Moses in order to be saved. And that was false teaching. Paul had to deal with this and he did.

Once the temple was destroyed and the Levitical priesthood was abolished, all Jews should have turned to Christ and become Hebrew Christians. Instead the nation of Israel rejected Christ, the Jews were dispersed throughout the world, but they continued to believe that they could somehow hang on to the Law of Moses and wait for the *true Messiah* to appear. But in fact the Talmud of the Pharisees became more important than the Torah. In any event this led to spiritual blindness on the the part of the majority of the Jews.

Lanolin · Feb 5, 2020

blk you can think what you like but you still cannot impose the OT laws on those saved by Jesus. Thats legalism, not grace. Jesus will work on peoples hearts, there is no longer a sacrificial system because Jesus BECAME the sacrifice.

I hope you can understand this. reading your posts it seems you are somehwat obssessed with this idea. Not all of us are going to go to yeshiva and do every single commandment trying to please God. In fact, it is impossible to please God this way. Hebrews even states this. We need faith, even when we fall short...and if youve walked so far on this earth you have to admit we are still gonna fall short every day.

Blik · Feb 5, 2020

Nehemiah6 said:

If God was a separate God for Jews and Christians, you could have the right ideas but God told us that He was not. God is eternal, what we call law is simply how God created our world to be. He gives us His plan for us to have salvation, joy, and abundance and God offers that plan to humans, not to Jews as having a separate plan.

If the judaizers are Jews, then gentiles need not be concerned about accusations of their being judaizers, and Christians love to accuse other Christians of this. Scripture tells us we are the temple of God, you say we have no relation to an eternal idea of temple, and symbolism that God uses seems to be a foreign idea to you. The Levitical priesthood was a pattern of the priesthood that is of Christ it is related to Christ as our high priest, but that truth seems to be beyond your understanding.

God is eternal, and all God's ways are eternal not new and old. The world that God created that we live in today is the very same world that Adam and Eve lived in. His covenants, or ways God related to us changed, but none of His principles changed.

A covenant is simply telling us how God is relating to us. One covenant is that God relates to us by giving a rainbow to tell us we won't have a flood again. God related to man by requiring them to do some daily routines to remind them of how to live with the Lord guiding their life. The new covenant was God relating to man through the spirit.

God is eternal, God lives in a dimension that has eternal principles.
What is this business about your I am right and you are wrong?

MessageOfTheCross · Feb 7, 2020

Judaizing (lukewarm / Spiritual Adultery) today are those who are proclaiming Christ while forsaking the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won. Many here called it the Jimmy Swaggart false gospel. They follow me around preaching another Jesus.

If the answer you seek or solution is not by Grace through Faith in Christ and Him Crucified, i.e., the Blood of Jesus, it is LAW! 1 Cor. 2:2, Mark 7:13

Dino246 · Feb 7, 2020

MessageOfTheCross said:

That is NOT what Judaizing is.

MessageOfTheCross said:

Jimmy Swaggart does preach a false gospel. Quit your whinging at find a sound teacher.

MessageOfTheCross said:

Hogwash... as usual.

oldethennew · Feb 7, 2020

JOHN 5:46.
For had you believed Moses, you would have believed Me: for he wrote of Me.
GAL. 3:8.
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith,
preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In you shall all nations be blessed.
PS. 119:89.
LAMED. For ever, O LORD, Thy Word is settled in heaven.
ACTS 21:20.
And when they heard it, they glorified The Lord, and said unto Him,
Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
ROMANS 11:18.
Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you.

Blik · Feb 7, 2020

MessageOfTheCross said:

I think judaizing is simply using fleshly acts instead of spiritual ones and thinking it is complete worship of the Lord. I don't see the connection to that and proclaiming Christ.

In the case of circumcision, it would be cutting of flesh and thinking that is circumcision. It's purpose has nothing to do with proclaiming Christ or not performing Jewish customs because they are Jewish.

gb9 · Feb 7, 2020

Blik said:

judeaizing is what you do- say that the Law is divided into parts ( lie). saying that we have to keep the festivals ( lie) saying that we have to keep the Sabbath. ( lie). saying that the romans invented sunday worship ( lie). saying that Jesus rose on the Sabbath ( lie).

I could go on, but all those falsehoods are what judeaizers ( you ) push.

Dino246 · Feb 7, 2020

Blik said:

From what source do you get this? Why would Paul battle so vigorously against people who only harm themselves by doing this?

MessageOfTheCross · Feb 7, 2020

Blik said:

Your Word for Today

"Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s Righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the Righteousness of God (Rom. 10:1-3).

The main purpose of the Holy Spirit giving us, through Paul, Chapters 9 through 11 of Romans was not, as stated, for Prophetical analysis, even though that, in measure, was given, but rather to warn the Church. If the Church follows in Israel’s footsteps by being ignorant of God’s Righteousness or by refusing God’s Righteousness, attempting, as Israel, to establish its own righteousness, the Church will be cut off just as Israel was cut off.

Concerning this, Paul said, “For if God spared not the natural branches (Israel), take heed lest He also spare not you (refers to the Church, as is obvious). Behold, therefore the goodness and severity of God (don’t mistake the Goodness of God for license): on them which fell, severity (speaks of Judgment which came on Israel, God’s chosen People); but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His Goodness (proclaims the conditions; the continuing of that “Goodness” pertains to continued Faith in Christ and the Cross): otherwise you also shall be cut off” (Rom. 11:21-22).

“God’s Righteousness” is that which is afforded by Jesus Christ, gained by and through the Cross. The only way that God’s Righteousness can be given to anyone is by virtue of the Cross, which demands Faith on the part of the recipient. If one attempts to gain righteousness by any other manner, the Lord refers to it as “self-righteousness,” and it is unacceptable — totally unacceptable!

I ask the following question:

How much is the modern Church preaching the Cross? The answer screams back at us, “Precious little!”

The Church has already apostatized. The Church Age opened with Christ standing in the midst of the candlesticks, in which the candlesticks represent the Church (Rev. 1:12-13). At the close of the Church Age, which pertains to the present time, we no longer find Christ in the midst of the Church, but rather outside, knocking on the door, trying to get in (Rev. 3:17-20). The Lord is, in fact, no longer dealing with the institutionalized Church as a whole, but rather with individuals only.

To be sure, the Lord has always dealt with individuals, but now it is only individuals.

“If any man hear My Voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me” (Rev. 3:20). So, who presently is saved?

It is the same now as it was with Israel of old.

Paul said, “Even so then at this present time (Paul’s day) also there is a Remnant according to the election of Grace (definitely speaks of Predestination, but not as many think; it is the “Remnant” that is elected or predestined, not who will be in the Remnant).

“And if by Grace (the Goodness of God, all made possible by the Cross), then is it no more of works (no one can point to their works as grounds for Salvation): otherwise Grace is no more Grace (if works are mixed with Grace, they nullify Grace). But if it be of works, then is it no more Grace (works can never produce Grace): otherwise work is no more work” (for example, Water Baptism, if acted upon wrongly, nullifies its true meaning; this also holds true for all other great Ordinances of the Lord) (Rom. 11:5-6).

As there was a “Remnant” in Israel who were saved, meaning that most were lost, likewise, there also is a “Remnant” in the modern Church who are saved, but only a Remnant. Israel had rejected much of that which was of the Lord, but when they rejected the Cross, there was nothing left. They were cut off. The modern Church has done the same thing. It has rejected much which is of the Lord, but now it is rejecting the Cross. As with Israel, if the Cross is rejected, that means the Righteousness of God is rejected, and that means the Church is also cut off — except for the “Remnant.”

Are you in the Remnant?

The only way that anyone can be in the Remnant is by accepting Christ and what Christ did at the Cross. There is no other way!"’

—Donnie Swaggart (taken from the “Word for Every Day”)
Donnie Swaggart

Blik · Feb 7, 2020

gb9 said:

We have to? Where does God ever tell us we don't have free will but "have to?" God tells us what causes death if it is not forgiven. God points to what to do to create peace and joy in our life. God tells us that salvation comes through faith. But I have never seen a "have to" in scripture. I do read about free will in scripture.

God tells us He gave a special blessing to the last day in the week and I have never read a scripture taking it back. I had read a scripture saying God took some things back because they were obsolete, but not the feasts or the Sabbath. I have asked for someone to supply me with those words of the Lord but no one could. He wrote us in one scripture that he hated some of the things man did saying it was part of worship, but that was when man replaced their worship with worldly acts.

Blik · Feb 7, 2020

MessageOfTheCross said:

Your Word for Today

"Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s Righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the Righteousness of God (Rom. 10:1-3).

The main purpose of the Holy Spirit giving us, through Paul, Chapters 9 through 11 of Romans was not, as stated, for Prophetical analysis, even though that, in measure, was given, but rather to warn the Church. If the Church follows in Israel’s footsteps by being ignorant of God’s Righteousness or by refusing God’s Righteousness, attempting, as Israel, to establish its own righteousness, the Church will be cut off just as Israel was cut off.

Concerning this, Paul said, “For if God spared not the natural branches (Israel), take heed lest He also spare not you (refers to the Church, as is obvious). Behold, therefore the goodness and severity of God (don’t mistake the Goodness of God for license): on them which fell, severity (speaks of Judgment which came on Israel, God’s chosen People); but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His Goodness (proclaims the conditions; the continuing of that “Goodness” pertains to continued Faith in Christ and the Cross): otherwise you also shall be cut off” (Rom. 11:21-22).

“God’s Righteousness” is that which is afforded by Jesus Christ, gained by and through the Cross. The only way that God’s Righteousness can be given to anyone is by virtue of the Cross, which demands Faith on the part of the recipient. If one attempts to gain righteousness by any other manner, the Lord refers to it as “self-righteousness,” and it is unacceptable — totally unacceptable!

I ask the following question:

How much is the modern Church preaching the Cross? The answer screams back at us, “Precious little!”

The Church has already apostatized. The Church Age opened with Christ standing in the midst of the candlesticks, in which the candlesticks represent the Church (Rev. 1:12-13). At the close of the Church Age, which pertains to the present time, we no longer find Christ in the midst of the Church, but rather outside, knocking on the door, trying to get in (Rev. 3:17-20). The Lord is, in fact, no longer dealing with the institutionalized Church as a whole, but rather with individuals only.

To be sure, the Lord has always dealt with individuals, but now it is only individuals.

“If any man hear My Voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me” (Rev. 3:20). So, who presently is saved?

It is the same now as it was with Israel of old.

Paul said, “Even so then at this present time (Paul’s day) also there is a Remnant according to the election of Grace (definitely speaks of Predestination, but not as many think; it is the “Remnant” that is elected or predestined, not who will be in the Remnant).

“And if by Grace (the Goodness of God, all made possible by the Cross), then is it no more of works (no one can point to their works as grounds for Salvation): otherwise Grace is no more Grace (if works are mixed with Grace, they nullify Grace). But if it be of works, then is it no more Grace (works can never produce Grace): otherwise work is no more work” (for example, Water Baptism, if acted upon wrongly, nullifies its true meaning; this also holds true for all other great Ordinances of the Lord) (Rom. 11:5-6).

As there was a “Remnant” in Israel who were saved, meaning that most were lost, likewise, there also is a “Remnant” in the modern Church who are saved, but only a Remnant. Israel had rejected much of that which was of the Lord, but when they rejected the Cross, there was nothing left. They were cut off. The modern Church has done the same thing. It has rejected much which is of the Lord, but now it is rejecting the Cross. As with Israel, if the Cross is rejected, that means the Righteousness of God is rejected, and that means the Church is also cut off — except for the “Remnant.”

Are you in the Remnant?

The only way that anyone can be in the Remnant is by accepting Christ and what Christ did at the Cross. There is no other way!"’

—Donnie Swaggart (taken from the “Word for Every Day”)
Donnie Swaggart

There are a lot of things added one on top of another without relating to each other.

The first Pentecost was the giving of the ten commandments in stone, the second was related to that when we were given what God wants us to know in the spirit. That is the relationship.

Paul simply wanted the Jews to accept Christ as their Savior, it is as simple as that.

The reason there is only a remnant left is because man isn't just going to the Lord as man is supposed to do, he is mixing in a lot of other ideas to accept from Origen, an early Christian Father, to Luther.

MessageOfTheCross · Feb 7, 2020

Blik said:

So you believe that Faith placed exclusively in Christ and the Finished Work at Calvary Cross, i.e., the Blood of Jesus is not God prescribed order of victory over sin, the world, the flesh, and the Devil?

gb9 · Feb 7, 2020

Blik said:

We have to? Where does God ever tell us we don't have free will but "have to?" God tells us what causes death if it is not forgiven. God points to what to do to create peace and joy in our life. God tells us that salvation comes through faith. But I have never seen a "have to" in scripture. I do read about free will in scripture.

God tells us He gave a special blessing to the last day in the week and I have never read a scripture taking it back. I had read a scripture saying God took some things back because they were obsolete, but not the feasts or the Sabbath. I have asked for someone to supply me with those words of the Lord but no one could. He wrote us in one scripture that he hated some of the things man did saying it was part of worship, but that was when man replaced their worship with worldly acts.[/QUOTE}

as it says in Leviticus 26, ( I have told you this multiple times), God spoke of the " Covenant He made with the Fathers of those who came out of Egypt.

that would be the Mosaic Covenant , which of course contained the Law, the Sabbath, etc..

so, if you or anyone else cannot trace their ancestry back to those who crossed the red sea, then that covenant was not made with you.

side note- I am currently reading through the Paul's letter to the Galatians . he states that gentiles do not have the Law, and the Law was given to Moses 430 years after Abraham.

that debunks 2 more judeaizer lies ...

Blik · Feb 7, 2020

MessageOfTheCross said:

Of all the made out of absolutely nothing things I have ever heard, making up that I ever stated a belief in any way that God didn't send Christ as our Savior, that is the farthest fetched I have heard. We are supposed to be Christians on here who read and listen to scripture!

I'm beginning to think there are people on this site so far from making Christ a part of their life that it gives examples of doing the opposite.

MessageOfTheCross · Feb 8, 2020

Blik said:

Of all the made out of absolutely nothing things I have ever heard, making up that I ever stated a belief in any way that God didn't send Christ as our Savior, that is the farthest fetched I have heard. We are supposed to be Christians on here who read and listen to scripture!

I'm beginning to think there are people on this site so far from making Christ a part of their life that it gives examples of doing the opposite.

Please answer the question with a yes or no.

Why does God oppose Judaizing?

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