Not By Works

How can one red x a post that has not been posted unless you edited it after you posted it which makes you a liar and a deceiver......do tell how she red x'ed it before it was done posting....we will all wait... right @EleventhHour

They absolutely deny SHOW ME in James

This is exactly why you miss the context of James....nor will you ever get your doctrine right until you acknowledge the context of James and the phrase SHOW ME YOUR FAITH!

Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahah wow man....Paul must have missed that memo when he uses THE FAITH OF DAVID AND ABRAHAM in Romans.....this type of drivel in your post devalues the wors of God!

False....Abraham was justified by faith long before he iffered Isaac.....and Paul clearly equates it to tue same faith rhat justifies us before God in Romans.....

False again......and exactly why you are missing the mark.....DO TELL US ALL what WORKS OF OBEDIENCE RAHAB WAS DOING WHEN SHE LIED LIKE A DOG about the spies she was hiding! We will wait!

Not sure how could have given a red X before it was posted... the post would not be visible.

Anyway it deserves a thousand red X's .....completely disagree, works have no part in our salvation God is never in our debt.

I have shown you how James is RIGHT, many times.
James knew how one is saved, we are saved by grace through faith apart from works.

Most definitely...upsetting ... on things that are very clear.

We are not talking about obscure texts that are difficult to understand.

The time stamp on @Judges1318 post was 7:44, the time stamp on my red X was 7:45.

It would seem my ESP super powers are lacking today!

That post right there and what he said proves how dishonest and deceptive he is........was rather disgusting to be honest!

All he did was openly prove how dishonest he is... everyone pay attention to what Judges did above....accused @EleventhHour of red x'ing a post of his before it was done posting which is impossible to do....he is a deceiver and his false allegations are getting old!

* have already gotten old.

contradicts himself all over the place....

I do not know how Dispensations got started, but it is obvious it came out someone's imagination.

Let me show you something, that few ever realize the IMMENSE TRUTH about GOD, that HE actually said about HIMSELF.


Malachi 3:6 (NASB)
6 "For I, the LORD, do not change;
therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.


That means IF we can find ONE person, that GOD describes HOW that person was SAVED, then you WILL KNOW HOW HE SAVES EVERY TRUE BELIEVER.

Now look at this VERSE:

Romans 4:3-5 (NASB)
3 For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS."
4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,


There are a LOT of people who think that Intellectual (in the Human Brain) is where believing takes place. WRONG!
Look where GOD says Genuine Believing takes place:

Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess [, it had to have happened, in your heart which is your human spirit before you can say as a CONFESSION,]
with your mouth Jesus as Lord {, and Lord means MASTER, therefore it is a surrender to HIM out of LOVE for HIM,} , and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.


That is WAY DIFFERENT than just believing in the intellectual part of the human brain, which is the faith demons, James 2:19.

Then another FALSE DOCTRINE is when people think THEY THOUGHT THAT SAVING FAITH which started as a THOUGHT in their human Brain, when IN REALITY the HOLY SPIRIT PUT THAT SAVING FAITH in your Heart (human spirit):

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NASB)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

1 Corinthians 12:3 (NASB)
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed";
and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

HERE IS A MAJOR PORTION OF SCRIPTURE ALL ABOUT SALVATION:

Romans 5:1-10 (NASB)
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
4 and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope;
5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die.
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. { 🡬 NOTICE IT ALL HAPPENED ON THE CROSS.}


Doesn't it amaze you how many people who think they must work for their SALVATION, are actually ROBBING JESUS of the GLORY that HE actually accomplished on the CROSS, JESUS DID IT ALL.

It is absolutely hilariously sad and 100% ignorant the way some devalue faith while denying PAUL using both DAVID and Abraham (2 witnesses) from the O.T. to identify the SAME FAITH THAT SAVES AND JUSTIFIES US......these clowns know no bounds of deception and or twisting the word of God!!

I agree. It's almost as if science is synonymous with dairy tales. "This is what scientists think happened."

And yet ONLY the NAB translates John 3:16 with 2 mights.

The only uncertainty in relation to 'should not perish' and 'have everlasting life' is in regards to whether or not one truly 'believes in Him or not' and not nosas, as you and Roman Catholicism teach.

Definition of "Subjunctive"
"...the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances."

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The circumstances are whether or not one believes in Him.

And once again, ONLY the NAB translates John 3:16 with 2 mights, but regardless, you are still willing to join hands and sing kumbaya with the Roman Catholic church over this for the sake of your biased doctrine of nosas, which Roman Catholicism also strongly supports.

I am no longer surprised to see that you side with Roman Catholicism and the subjunctive mood of uncertainty is in regards to whether or not someone truly believes in Him or not, which does not support your 'keep believing' to remain saved theory of nosas. This explains why numerous other translations translate John 3:16 as shall not perish and will not perish.

AMP - “For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life.

AMPC - For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.

CSB - For God loved the world in this way: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

EHV - “For God so loved the world that he gave his only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

HCSB - “For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.

LEB - For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

TLB - For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son so that anyone who believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

NASB - “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

NET - For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

NIV - For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

NIVUK - For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

TLV - “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Still other translations say may not perish.

You keep missing the red flags.

It's not as much about the Greek grammar as it is with the implication of what John 3:16 is really teaching. Both you and Roman Catholicism interject nosas into the Greek grammar.

So Roman Catholicism (along with every other false religion and cult) that supports salvation by works and strongly opposes osas just happens to have that point right as well and you still see no red flag?

It's not about ignoring the subjunctive mood in John 3:16, but properly interpreting John 3:16 in light of the subjunctive mood which revolves around whether or not someone truly believes in Him or not, which is in harmony with "is not condemned" in John 3:18.

If someone truly believes in Him from the start (believing is firmly rooted and established) then they will always be presently believing in Him. Those who fail to continue to believe have a shallow, temporary belief which was never firmly rooted and established.

I grew up in the Roman Catholic church and was exposed to their false teachings (including nosas) for several years so your alleged 'additional insight' is nothing new or enlightening.

It is for those who truly believe in Him and that's the point you keep missing because your head remains in the clouds of nosas (might or might not keep believing). Multiple translations read 'will not perish' and 'shall not perish,' so these translators understood this. All you and Roman Catholicism understand is nosas which clouds your and their understanding.

Again, it's subjunctive mood in regards to 'whether or not' someone truly believes in Him (which is in harmony with is not condemned in John 3:18) so I have no problem with 'will not perish' and 'shall not perish' and I could see where interpreting John 3:16 in such a way to make it sound like those who believe in Him might or might not perish/might or might not receive eternal life would cause confusion, yet you and the Roman Catholic church certainly have no problem creating doubt as to whether those who believe in Him will or will not perish/and will or will not receive eternal life.

You will never get what James is saying until you acknowledge that James is not a Christian epistle but written to the twelve tribes of Israel. You do know that when that term is used, it is referring to the whole nation of Israel and not a called out group of Christians from that nation. Ever. You contradict the scriptures when you use as such.

Genesis 22:5
He said to his servants, "Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship and then we will come back to you."

Abraham had faith in God before he took Isaac to the altar , as he said in the above " We will come back to you "...
...xox...

In James 2:21, we notice that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to account him as righteous, but it showed or manifested the genuineness of his faith. This is the "sense" in which Abraham was "justified by works." He was shown to be righteous.