If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???

The BIBLE says that Abraham Kept HIS Commandments & laws, SO yes the commandments was before Sinai. Abraham was about , 400 years before Moses, God told Cain that sin lieth at the door, Which means they had the commandments, You haft to have LAWS before you can sin. You say that they was not Good, JESUS SAYS that we are not GOOD ether, GOD bless as HE sees fit. None is good but the FATHER

His LAWS Is HIS CHATACTER, When Moses ask to look upon HIM, JESUS give Moses His Laws to show Moses what HE was LIKE. JESUS says IF you love ME keep MY commandments, Then Another place , JESUS says If you say that you love ME and keep not MY commandments ,You are lier and the TRUTH is not in you. So if we are not keeping JESUS's commandments, The truth is not in us, And truth is JESUS. So if you are not keeping HIS commandments, JESUS IS NOT in YOU, FOR JESUS IS THE TRUTH.

No Ten Commandments before sinai

““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)

What Laws did Abraham keep according to direct quotes from scripture defining them?

The Law is condemnation and death to those who work at them.

The Lord Jesus is Righteousness and Life for those who come to Him and abide in the Vine.

1 Corinthians 1:30-31
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

The Law is condemnation and death to those who work at them.

The Lord Jesus is Righteousness and Life for those who come to Him and abide in the Vine.

1 Corinthians 1:30-31
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

You are distorting the law by giving it only one characteristic of the many of the truth of the law.

A good loving father disciplines his children. Would you say the word father means punishment?

I only know of one set of Commandments, And they are the ones that JESUS wrote with HIS finger.
JESUS wrote them in stone the first time, Now HE writes them on our HEARTS,THE SAME ten COMMANDMENTS,GOD is not GOING to Change HIS LAWS that HE wrote with HIS Finger,
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter, Fear GOD, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man.

How did Jesus keep the commandments? He lived the Sermon on the Mount. You are not keeping them above the level of any Pharisee unless you do it his way.

You are distorting the law by giving it only one characteristic of the many of the truth of the law.

A good loving father disciplines his children. Would you say the word father means punishment?

How did Jesus keep the commandments? He lived the Sermon on the Mount. You are not keeping them above the level of any Pharisee unless you do it his way.

If the law is a spiritual law, and yet you try to work at it carnally in your own understanding and strength you will constantly fail.

That is why your Righteousness can never come from your work.

Your Righteousness only comes from Trusting in Christ.


That is the job of the Law. To make you understand that.

1 Corinthians 1:23-24
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

If you can show one incident of humans keeping the Sabbath prior to Moses, then you might have a point.

You can't, though.

There's no place where it says that any human kept the Sabbath prior to God's dealings with Israel after the Exodus.

And, even if you could prove that, you would need to use the same logic with regards to festivals. In my opinion, the case for festivals is much easier to make, if a person wanted to claim they are still applicable due to continuity.

That's why the SDA position concerning the Sabbath is worse than Armstrongism, in my opinion, because they aren't being consistent in their reasoning. I reject Armstrongism, too, but SDA reasoning is much less consistent.

The sabbath rest has been in effect from the 7th day . Abel who mixed faith (the eternal unseen) in what he heard and saw enjoyed it. Cain refused to believe and rest in it .

A ceremonial rest as a shadow does not make the word rest/sabbath time sensitive.

In the second rendering of the ten commandments .Rather that using the 7th day .The reasoning was the departure from Egypt. It was in the wilderness when God gave them over to do that which they should not of . . .wanting to return to slavery and no rest.

That the ceremony was to be applied until they reached the promised land of fruit and honey which had been prepared beforehand for the murmurers. It would seem the tradition carried on .

Today three meals under the new manner (1 Corihtinans 11) can be eaten on the new era of sabbaths the first day of the week. The day he said let there be children of light .

And the children of Israel did eat manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited; they did eat manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan. Exodus 16 :35

Where are the instructions as to when manna got replaced with bread.?Or when did bread a a metaphor change into manna?

The sabbath rest has been in effect from the 7th day . Abel who mixed faith (the eternal unseen) in what he heard and saw enjoyed it. Cain refused to believe and rest in it .

A ceremonial rest as a shadow does not make the word rest/sabbath time sensitive.

In the second rendering of the ten commandments .Rather that using the 7th day .The reasoning was the departure from Egypt. It was in the wilderness when God gave them over to do that which they should not of . . .wanting to return to slavery and no rest.

That the ceremony was to be applied until they reached the promised land of fruit and honey which had been prepared beforehand for the murmurers. It would seem the tradition carried on .

Today three meals under the new manner (1 Corihtinans 11) can be eaten on the new era of sabbaths the first day of the week. The day he said let there be children of light .

And the children of Israel did eat manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited; they did eat manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan. Exodus 16 :35

Where are the instructions as to when manna got replaced with bread.?Or when did bread a a metaphor change into manna?

From Adm to Noah there was oral tradition which was followed according to the knowledge of the creation, long before the law. From Noah to Moses there was also oral tradition, with the commandments known within. It is a matter of faith in those things unseen which confirms for me and all who believe Jesus, Yeshua, that these things were known. Also, if you need written evidence, read Genesis, the commandments are there.

If you can show one incident of humans keeping the Sabbath prior to Moses, then you might have a point.

You can't, though.

There's no place where it says that any human kept the Sabbath prior to God's dealings with Israel after the Exodus.

And, even if you could prove that, you would need to use the same logic with regards to festivals. In my opinion, the case for festivals is much easier to make, if a person wanted to claim they are still applicable due to continuity.

That's why the SDA position concerning the Sabbath is worse than Armstrongism, in my opinion, because they aren't being consistent in their reasoning. I reject Armstrongism, too, but SDA reasoning is much less consistent.

Ah ok..you buy into the oral tradition claim of Judaism?

I don't.

Somehow, the Jews of Josiah's day no longer had an understanding of the WRITTEN LAW, until a copy was found in the Temple. I don't believe there was an oral tradition alongside the written word..and if there was, it wouldn't mean much to me.

Scripture warns against paying attention to Jewish fables. I don't consider works such as Josephus' to be reliable, either. He was known to exaggerate, and I'm pretty sure other Jewish sources did the same thing.

I am Sola Scriptura man

Then you would have had a hard time in the Garden of Eden with no books or libraries available....

Who said that the accounts were oral?

They could have been written down.

I don't deny the possibility that there were additional documents used to compile this account, or God could have provided the accounts to Moses for his inclusion in the Torah.

I think you're making some assumptions that I don't make.

Genesis 2:
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


sanc·ti·fy
/ˈsaNG(k)təˌfī/
verb
past tense: sanctified; past participle: sanctified

1. set apart as or declare holy; consecrate.
   
   
   
   Ok.... so are you saying that the first 7th day that God rested and set apart as holy at the end of creation means nothing to anyone and that Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden all by themselves while God rested on a day that He sanctified and made holy all by Himself and didn't include Adam and Eve in that day of rest?

That just maybe God explained to them as the tended the garden and looked after the animals for six days a week that He gave them a day to come apart and spend extra time with Him? Of course in the Garden of Eden they could talk to God when ever He came to the garden because it does say that He was in the garden calling to Adam and Eve when they were hiding after they had sinned. So we do know that God came to visit.

We also know that God really does not need to rest but that he was setting up a system to help man rest knowing that there would be a six day work week that God set up with the creation example and God knowing that Adam and Eve would sin in the future would need a day to come and spend time with Him not worrying about having to work that particular day because God knows everything and could see the future.

The language in Genesis 1 & 2 sets up the reason why the wording of the 4th commandment go together because all you have to do is read it and see the connection between the origin of man and why God set up a Sabbath day of rest as worded and connected to creation in the 4th commandment.

Exodus 20:
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Pure logic would suggest that yes, Adam and Eve celebrated the first 7th rest day with God in the Garden and we would also have to assume that God verbally told them the rules to His government because Cain knew he had done wrong when he murdered Able.

Just because something wasn't written down at the beginning doesn't mean it didn't exist as many things passed down from generation to generation by word of mouth and in my logical mind I can see God telling them what He expected of them in the garden.