If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???

Logos is not in Romans 10 it is Rhema

Yes God has placed His Law, His Word in our hearts , minds and mouth through Christ. That is what He says and that is what I am going with.

Context starts back in chapter 9.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
(Rom 9:32 KJV)

Then in chapter 10 God tells what this faith is He is preaching about. What is in parenthesis is commentary to help keep everything in context.

So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the word, TO hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law,) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the word, TO hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law,) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ, TO hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law,)is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:4-8 KJV)

So Yes God has placed His Law, His Word in our hearts , minds and mouth through Christ. That is the word of Faith in which we preach. That is what He says and that is what I am going with.


Once again God is paraphrasing Deut. 30 in Romans 10:6-8. That is why parts of it is interjected into the commentary for Romans 10. God would not have paraphrased it if He did not intend for us to consider it when reading and understanding Romans 10.


If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day ( TO hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law,) , it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word ( TO hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law,)is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. For God has said, the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
(Deu 30:6, 10-14 KJV)

Zechariah 14 is about the coming of the Lord, when He will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle. Then shall the LORD go and fight against, His feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives and it will split to the east and west....
When you get to verse 16 it tells that everyone that is left of the nations which came against Israel in this end time battle will go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of Host AND to keep the feast of tabernacles.

But I have not seen, or at least remember reading anywhere about the Sabbath will being kept.

God gave the Universal reason when he spoke the commandments.
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
(Exo 20:11 KJV)

God says His Laws will be in our mind and heart. Your problem is with Him not me.

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
(Heb 10:16 KJV)

Here my friend.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Those of us who find their rest in the finished work of Jesus are keeping the Sabbath.

Show me where in the BIBLE it says that JESUS is OUR Sabbath, You can't And it Don't, Because the Sabath is one of JESUS's OWN COMMANDMENT, But it Dose tell us that He didn't Change the Sabbath, Hebrews 4:8-11,
GOD bless as HE sees fit

When the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, all who are against the Lord, who worshiped the beast, his image and received His mark, will be killed by the double-edged sword. They will not be allowed to enter the millennial kingdom. Below is what happens to the wicked:

And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”


Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

Those who will enter into the millennial kingdom will be the remnant of Israel and the great tribulation saints and will repopulate the earth.

God gave several reasons; we ought not focus on one to the exclusion of all others.

in Exodus 16, the first time a sabbath is ever recorded as given to man, He says He gives in order to test the Israelites whether they would obey Him.

in Deuteronomy 5, it is written to them to keep sabbath because they were slaves in Egypt and the LORD took them out.

in Ezekiel 20, the LORD says the reason He gave them sabbath is as a sign in order for them to know that He is the One who sanctifies them.

if you don't put all these together, you're not considering the whole counsel of God, and neither are you doing so if you pretend Colossians 2 doesn't exist -- if you pretend Christ didn't die, pretend you're under Moses.

And this which applies to everyone. It is universal.
Exod 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

posthuman said:

and neither are you doing so if you pretend Colossians 2 doesn't exist -- if you pretend Christ didn't die, pretend you're under Moses.

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I love Colossians. The context is forgiveness. It starts in verse 13.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting to the ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:13-16)


It was the handwriting to the ordinances that were blotted out. They were against us and contrary to us, not the ordinances themselves.These are the judgments, ceremonial and sacrificial laws God mandated for when we broke the ordinances, the laws that pertain to life, God's righteousness. We have been forgiven through Christ so they are not needed anymore for judgement. Verse 16 makes this even clearer with the fact that It says let no man therefore judge you. The word "therefore" connects what is about to be said to what was already said. It is a conclusion. Principalities and powers have been spoiled by the cross. No more judgment by man because the handwriting to the ordinances has been blotted out because we have been forgiven already.

this tells us God designated a day called "today" as the day of entering His rest.
it tells us explicitly that the truth of His rest is not the observance of a ritual.
it tells us that His rest is cessation of our own works.
it tells us that it is in the soul and spirit, that it is in the thoughts and intents of the heart.
this passage is very certainly not talking about a commandment to take a day off the work-week or to congregate at an appointed hour. this is speaking about the reality that the law was only a picture of.


Bud, the rest He offers us is not a weekly ritual shadow that is powerless to quiet the anxieties of your soul. the Substance has appeared to us, having come in the flesh and taken away the veil from the hearts of those whose trust is in Him.
rest is about trust; you cannot rest while you worry.

God's judgments handed down to man through Moses not human judgments.

It was the handwriting to the ordinances that were blotted out. They were against us and contrary to us, not the ordinances themselves. These handwriting to the ordinances, the judgments, the ceremonial and sacrificial laws God mandated for when we broke the ordinances, the laws that pertain to life, God's righteousness are not necessary anymore . We have been forgiven through Christ so they are not needed for judgement. Verse 16 makes this even clearer with the fact that It says let no man therefore judge you. The word "therefore" connects what is about to be said to what was already said. It is a conclusion. Principalities and powers have been spoiled by the cross. No more judgment by man because the handwriting to the ordinances has been blotted out because we have been forgiven already.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting to the ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:13-16)

God says His Law , His word, His righteousness is in the heart, mind and mouth through Christ.

I love Romans. You wish to speak on it now?

Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses. If every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for keeping the weekly Sabbath found in Exodus 20 not found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses?

The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses.

Deuteronomy 15:2 - The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive. So much for Universal.

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

In Hebrews 10:16, God did say I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them, but He did not say the law of Moses. The new covenant is not simply the old covenant re-packaged and placed in our hearts and minds, so your problem is with Him not me.

SDA's often quote Isaiah 66:23 to erroneously teach that the Sabbath is a sign given to all mankind in the garden of Eden (although God's word says it's a sign between God and the Israelites - Exodus 31:16-17) given to the Israelites in Exodus and that for all eternity all mankind will keep the sabbath day, yet Sabbatarians would also have the new moon festival observances in heaven based on their interpretation of the above text as well. If they insist on sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66, they also need to observe new moons. But most Sabbatarian’s don’t observe new moons, which is inconsistent.

The context of this text simply teaches that from month to month and from week to week, God’s people will worship Him. In that final state of the new heaven and new earth, which Revelation 21:3 tells us will have no need of sun or moon, there will be one perpetual day. John added that “there shall be no night there.” (Revelation 21:25) So the Isaiah passage says nothing about keeping the weekly sabbath day. It simply means that God’s people will perpetually worship Him in contrast to keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law.

Romans 10:1 - Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Yet modern day Judaizers (as you describe them) keep pointing us back to the law. Sadly for such people, their doctrine culminates in "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works," which is a perversion of the gospel.

what does God do on the 8th day?

I agree. So that's th handwriting. And don't forget that the tablets were also handwritten, by His finger.

When will you accept and come to the truth, 'lightbearer' - - when will you bear true light?
Here is rest, give it to the weary.

What exactly are you saying here?

For one thing, you are practicing "collapsing the context"...in other words, you are connecting verses without regards to their context.

Secondly, the Mosaic Law is no longer in effect. Now, there are aspects of the Mosaic Law that reflect the image of God, and thus would be wrought in the Christian, who is being transformed into the image of Christ...however, the Mosaic Law itself is defunct.

We know this through: Acts 15, 2 Cor 3, Heb 7-8, Gal 3-4, Rom 7:1-6, and Eph 2:13-15.

Gentiles were never required to keep the Mosaic Law, and it is impossible for anyone to do today, as there is no Temple and no Levitical priesthood.

Of course, the big issue with Judaizers (not saying you are one) is days and diet. That is their claim to fame. The problem is that the NT specifically mentions days as being defunct ( Col 2:16-17) and diet as well (Acts 10, Rom 14). And, I will plainly state that anyone who centers his righteousness on these practices is headed toward the wrong direction (and I was, as a former Judaizer). Usually their focus is on external practices, rather than dealing with the deeper, darker sins such as vanity, pride, selfishness, etcetera.

At any rate, please quit attempting to collapse the context to convince others of your beliefs.

Quote the whole verse, and don't mix them with other verses. If you think the verses are connected, then make it apparent, instead of merging them together into your own hybrid verses. These are the games cults play.