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lightbearer

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That Verse in 1 Cor. 9:23 is a confusing translation at best.

Here is a Better One:

1 Corinthians 9:23 (HCSB)
23 Now I do all this because of the gospel, so I may become a partner in its benefits.

Benefits are something after you have responded to the Gospel.
The Benefits of BELIEVING THE TRUTH, is Being Sealed by the Holy Spirit, and having HIM IN OUR HEARTS as a Guarantee of our Inheritance, AND the Joy of seeing other respond to the Gospel of Truth.



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The thing is my friend benefits is not even implied in the Greek.
 

lightbearer

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Oh I did, you're just to obstinate and ignorant of the truth to receive it....
No you didn't.
Here is your reply, which is nothing more than an I say so, a comment with nothing to substantiate it.

"The context is being used in the ministry genius....not salvation! You're not that bright! and the context of prize is reward genius...not salvation!"

So like was said,
"So in other words you don't actually have a rebuttal to the post. Just a I say so and more unchristian like behavior. Gotcha ya... "
 

OneOfHis

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I did not change the subject.
Yes you did.

Having been born is different from being alive.

You post jumped from not having a choice to be born, to choosing to stay alive.

If you want to argue the point you are able to kill a spirit God has made alive, you can argue that.


Having been born, is not the same thing as being alive.
 
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EleventhHour

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I did not change the subject.
Being born again is you being made spiritually alive by the Spirit of God joining Himself to your spiritually dead spirit.
Being born again is a metaphor for your new life. It's not about having a baby.
You're making it out to be like it's a new baby running around the house that you can't just make go away as if it was never born.

"God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions" - Ephesians 2:4-5

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Wrong

Not a metaphor ...

Physical birth is real, unchangeable and once

Spiritual birth is a reality, unchangeable and once
 

mailmandan

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Remain born again???

The spirit of fear of losing salvation you keep pushing is not from God.
Amen! NOWHERE does the Bible teach that those who are born of God can become UN-born again or UN-regenerated or UN-sealed by the Holy Spirit. Fear and bondage to IN-security is no way to live the Christian life. 2 Timothy 1:7 - For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
 

OneOfHis

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I did not change the subject.
Being born again is you being made spiritually alive by the Spirit of God joining Himself to your spiritually dead spirit.
Being born again is a metaphor for your new life. It's not about having a baby.
You're making it out to be like it's a new baby running around the house that you can't just make go away as if it was never born.

Matthew 18:3
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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2 Corinthians 5:17
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
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1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

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I was born a new baby, Judges.

I also have a Father who is watching over me.


I have passed from death unto life... shall not come into condemnation.... Will not be separated from the love of my Father by anything present or to come....

But a man/woman who will not reveal if I know them or not online says that is not true.
 
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LordsHandmaiden

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Many will be DECIEVED in the last days wherein they believe a LIE and are damned!
Salvation was a one time purchase made of God by His son Jesus!
It is freely given to whosoever WILL!
You are delusional if you think it doesn't have to be maintained!
Do you pray?
Do you study
Do you witness?
MAINTENANCE!
Do you obey the commandments of Jesus to LOVE?
Again MAINTENANCE

By having FREE WILL at any time we can neglect,abuse ignore it, or refuse this precious gift,it is NOT FORCED!
There are many sins not of the body but if the mind and heart also such as stubborness,pride,arrogance,usefulness ect ect.....
IN reading this thread and yes I've read the whole thread many herein display such and will be so judged if repentance isn't done!

PLEASE put on HIS righteousness today and lay aside those things that separate one from God!
 
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If you want to argue the point you are able to kill a spirit God has made alive, you can argue that.
No, silly. The spirit doesn't get killed.
Your spirit doesn't cease to exist if you go back to unbelief.
God's Spirit simply leaves your spirit and you return to the dead spiritual life you had before (But worse this time).
The separation of His Spirit and your's is like a divorce, not a literal death.

Having been born, is not the same thing as being alive.
Actually, it is...

"God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions" - Ephesians 2:4-5

Being born again means being made alive in Christ where you were once dead in sin.
'Born again' is a metaphor. It's a make over, not a new human being that didn't exist before being brought into existence.
 

Lightskin

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The Gospel; salvation.

Here look, please take your time prayerfully.

1Cor 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

Paul is doing something for the Gospel's sake that he might be a partaker of it, the Gospel with the people he is speaking to.

Then he says

1Cor 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

As we can see Paul relates this doing something for the Gospel to RUNNING in a race that you might receive The prize, partaking of the Gospel, obtaining salvation.

1Cor 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

Paul states RUN WE MIGHT Receive, obtain the PRIZE, Partaking of the GOSPEL, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

He continues

1Cor 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly ( not aimlessly;not as one who has no fixed goal) so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:


Paul says he RUNS that he MIGHT Receive the PRIZE, obtaining the GOSPEL, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN. Not aimlessly is he running, i.e. not as one who has no fixed goal. But as one that may obtain the prize, the incorruptible crown, partaking of the Gospel, Salvation.

Then before going into examples in chapter 11 of what happens to those who do not run that they MIGHT Receive the PRIZE, obtain the GOSPEL, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN. Not aimlessly running, i.e. not as one who has no fixed goal. But as one that may obtain the prize, the incorruptible crown, partaking of the Gospel, Salvation.

He defines this running he is doing for the Gospel, this discipline that they MIGHT Receive the PRIZE, obtain the GOSPEL, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN.

1Cor 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (REPROBATE, REJECTED).

Paul says he runs, in that he keeps his body into subjection lest by any means he be a Castaway; A REPROBATE, REJECTED and unaccepted in respects to obtaining the prize of the Gospel, the incorruptible crown, life everlasting with the Father and Son for eternity.

Then he continues in chapter 11 and gives examples of what happens to those who do not run that they MIGHT Receive the PRIZE, obtain the GOSPEL, the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN. life everlasting with the Father and Son for eternity.

In closing in respect to this topic he says.

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
1Cor 10:11,12

I would be amiss if I failed to mention the Greek word for Castaway in verse 9:27 is a real interesting word. It is also translated REPROBATE and REJECTED in the KJV of the New Testament.
What are your thoughts regarding the book of Ephesians which states time and again we are saved by grace through faith?
 

Lightskin

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Many will be DECIEVED in the last days wherein they believe a LIE and are damned!
Salvation was a one time purchase made of God by His son Jesus!
It is freely given to whosoever WILL!
You are delusional if you think it doesn't have to be maintained!
Do you pray?
Do you study
Do you witness?
MAINTENANCE!
Do you obey the commandments of Jesus to LOVE?
Again MAINTENANCE

By having FREE WILL at any time we can neglect,abuse ignore it, or refuse this precious gift,it is NOT FORCED!
There are many sins not of the body but if the mind and heart also such as stubborness,pride,arrogance,usefulness ect ect.....
IN reading this thread and yes I've read the whole thread many herein display such and will be so judged if repentance isn't done!

PLEASE put on HIS righteousness today and lay aside those things that separate one from God!
John 5:24
 

OneOfHis

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Having been born, is not the same thing as being alive.

Oh cool. That means because I have been born. I am alive.

This can not change. Because I have been born already and it is the same thing as being alive.



Wow.


Never knew you actually trusted in the eternal security God promised.
 
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EleventhHour

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Many will be DECIEVED in the last days wherein they believe a LIE and are damned!
Salvation was a one time purchase made of God by His son Jesus!
It is freely given to whosoever WILL!
You are delusional if you think it doesn't have to be maintained!
Do you pray?
Do you study
Do you witness?
MAINTENANCE!
Do you obey the commandments of Jesus to LOVE?
Again MAINTENANCE

By having FREE WILL at any time we can neglect,abuse ignore it, or refuse this precious gift,it is NOT FORCED!
There are many sins not of the body but if the mind and heart also such as stubborness,pride,arrogance,usefulness ect ect.....
IN reading this thread and yes I've read the whole thread many herein display such and will be so judged if repentance isn't done!

PLEASE put on HIS righteousness today and lay aside those things that separate one from God!
You have read the whole thread ...too bad you did not learn all of what you state is not the Gospel.
 
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EleventhHour

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Many will be DECIEVED in the last days wherein they believe a LIE and are damned!
Salvation was a one time purchase made of God by His son Jesus!
It is freely given to whosoever WILL!
You are delusional if you think it doesn't have to be maintained!
Do you pray?
Do you study
Do you witness?
MAINTENANCE!
Do you obey the commandments of Jesus to LOVE?
Again MAINTENANCE

By having FREE WILL at any time we can neglect,abuse ignore it, or refuse this precious gift,it is NOT FORCED!
There are many sins not of the body but if the mind and heart also such as stubborness,pride,arrogance,usefulness ect ect.....
IN reading this thread and yes I've read the whole thread many herein display such and will be so judged if repentance isn't done!

PLEASE put on HIS righteousness today and lay aside those things that separate one from God!

Prove free will...so far no one has done that.
 
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LordsHandmaiden

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I stated nothing about anything against the gospel but as per your M.O. attack is what you do.

I have no time to debate someone who walks w/o light!
All you have online is words,I pray in R L your light shines, but I doubt it.
Your fruit proves you lack love except to your clique.
May you meet Jesus my saviour who showed His great love in dying for all who come to Him in repentance of their sins!
 
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LordsHandmaiden

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If you cannot find your way in the word,I doubt I'll be able to prove anything to you!