Not By Works

The apostle John said if we (including himself) say we are sinless we are decieved

If John can’t do item and Paul admitted he could not do it’s far be it from me to think I am better then they were. They were apostles!

OneOfHis,

There also comes this point when chastening is not working to correct the child:

“Why should ye be stricken anymore? Ye will revolt more and more” Isaiah 1:5.

John did not say if we claim we never sinned
meh said if we claim we have no sin

Huge difference

We get ours from the Bible alone
thank you

OneOfHis,

And how do you know it’s the Holy Spirit that teaches you?

Have you tried this spirit, whether it’s from God or no?

And how can you try the spirits other than from the word of God?

Out of context verse?


For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

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He corrects us as His sons.

All of us.

If you aren't a partaker, you aren't His son.


John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

The things I have heard people say regarding this topic is not from the Bible alone. I hear the doctrines of men added in.

Anyway, I’m not trying to insult anybody here. I pray we can all continue to test all things by the Bible and ask God to open our eyes if we are missing anything, including my own eyes.

Blessings to all in Jesus’ name!

Have you listened to yourself lately?

You have not ceased from crime/sin either.
There is only one person who can make the claim of sinlessness and He is Jesus Christ.

1.
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

2. Yup.


3. As an unbeliever it was more of an indwelling dread of thinking I may go to hell paired with a desire to discredit the bible in order to return to not feeling this fear during the life I was living. (the Holy Spirit convicting me of my sins, because of unbelief)

Then as a sappling I could tell it was of God because I cared more about truth with Him as the absolute authority and I could admit I was wrong for what rang true. (even if it hurt to accept how foolish I had been)


I do have Gods scriptures written on my heart now and have grown from a sappling. God often can teach my lessons during daily prayer in my head at work or while driving on lonely roads. Even thoughts I have are held captive and submit to His standards for wether not they are true or of the flesh.

I never suggested that "the Word of God" isn't our standard for truth.

No Paul is clear.


And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
(1Co 9:23 KJV)

Be a Partaker of it.

Of what?

The Gospel.

Then in the contex5t of being a partaker of it. Or of a participate in it if you prefer Paul through God says allegorically.

Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
(1Co 9:24 KJV)


He compares this partaking to the doing he said he was doing in verse 23. Then allegorically compares this doing for the Gospel race to a race. Saying in relation to this doing that he just mention that they run they they may obtain.

And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
(1Co 9:25 KJV)


He says in relation to this doing, this running to obtain, that we need to strive inn that we control ourselves in all things. This we do That we may receive an Incorruptible crown. This he says in relation to the Gospel, the Gospel of Christ. We are talking about finishing the race. We are talking salvation, eternity with the Father and the Son forever.


I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
(1Co 9:26 KJV)

Paul through the Spirit says He runs the way he just mentioned in verse 25. Striving for mastery, temperate in all things that he may obtain partake of the Gospel, the incorruptible Crown.

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
(1Co 9:27 KJV)


Paul says through the Spirit, I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection, striving for mastery, temperate in all things, bringing the body under subjection, lest when he has preach to others he himself would be a castaway, rejected, a reprobate not me.

Amen.

It is the righteousness of Jesus that justifies us.

right this is so true. mormons and jehovah's witnesses all they do is study the bible. still wrong.

does anyone think when i was in works salvation i didnt read the bible? of course i did.

If God loved us for what we can do, there would be no salvation for any of us. Just this morning during my devotion, I was reminded of that as I prayed. My husband and I are dealing with a circumstance for the last 9 months. As God spoke to me today in my hour of distress and on my knees, this is what popped into my mind.

"Stop putting your circumstances in front of my love and help." "Stop concentrating on your problems and concentrate on me."

VERY CONFIDENT, as the Holy Spirit has confirmed the Scripture in me. Your Theory of Salvation is SEVERELY FLAWED, and you have little understanding of what it means by what it says.

Most of us on this Thread are GROUNDED IN THE WORD, OSAS Born Again Believers, and ARE QUITE capable Defending OSAS BELIEFS.
You will have no luck of luring disciples to follow your teachings HERE.


Acts 20:29-31 (HCSB)
29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 And men will rise up from your own number with deviant doctrines to lure the disciples into following them.
31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I did not stop warning each one of you with tears.


Romans 11:6 (NCV)
6 And if he chose them by grace, it is not for the things they have done. If they could be made God’s people by what they did,
God’s gift of grace would not really be a gift.

A dead thread has to call on me? OK, WWJD? With your knives pulled for either answer I would give, He wouldn't answer you directly. And His Spirit is in me.

But learn what this means: "He shall also sprinkle some of the blood of the sin offering on the side of the altar, while the rest of the blood shall be drained out at the base of the altar: it is a sin offering. The second he shall then prepare as a burnt offering according to the ordinance. So the priest shall make atonement on his behalf for his sin which he has committed, and it will be forgiven him." Leviticus 5: 9,10.

Under the New Covenant, in the blood of Jesus Christ, we receive freedom from out sins, by faith. The word translated "forgiveness" in our New Testament, in the Greek is aphesis - liberty. Jesus spoke of it this way, "Everyone who sins is a slave of sin and a slave does not have a permanent place in the household but a son belongs to it forever. So, if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."

The scandal done in the darkness within the religion, through his satanic majesty, is the lowering of the blood of Jesus, the Lamb of God, to that of bulls and goats. His powerful blood was not shed for us to remain in Egypt but to be set free.

We repent and are baptized. Baptism in water happened immediately for Jew and Gentile when the Church began. The baptism with the Holy Spirit was also accomplished, which is what His forerunner said He came for. Christ is enthroned in our lives as Lord and we can then move on to worship Him in spirit and in truth. The presentation of our bodies to Him as living sacrifices is our spiritual act of worship. This is the Good News of the Kingdom of God, a message hidden from the Christian church in the West, at least. The sons of God are those who are being led by the Spirit of God. Rom.8:14

"Obey My voice and I will be your God and you will be My sons and daughter and walk only in the way that I command you that it would go well with you." If we are His disciples, we deny our souls - what we want, think and feel, for man does not live on bread alone but on every word which proceeds out of the mouth of God. You want to understand the book of Ecclesiastes? We are born again, from above to live from above the sun. Otherwise, if we stay in the kingdom we were naturally born in to, we walk by sight, from under the sun and all is vanity of vanities, vanity of vanities.

Jesus stated that if we feed upon Him, we will live by Him as He lived by the Father and He did nothing on His own initiative. He lived from above the sun. And as John wrote by the Holy Spirit, if we abide in Him we will walk as He did. If we abide in His Word then we are truly His disciples and we will know the truth and the truth will set us free... not leave us in chains as the modern "gospel" of the Christian church does. That "Jesus" is the Antichrist and they have believed what Scripture calls "the lie": you shall be like God and you will rebel against and violate His Word too. Falsehood!

Sacrifice and offering He has not desired but a body He has prepared for each one of us. In burnt offering and sacrifice for sin He has taken no pleasure. But a body He has given to each one of us. We are here to do His will being conformed to the likeness of Christ. He took away the first (having to keep coming back for forgiveness of sins) to establish the second: the Kingdom of God over the lives of each one of us with Christ as our Head we will be one. But because this Gospel is not preached, we are not one! Denominations and factions are works of the flesh, of uncircumcised hearts, which are a violation of the New Covenant.

As Peter said via the Holy Spirit, He suffered for us leaving us an example that we would follow in His steps. What does the Holy Spirit list as #1? He committed no sins. Impossible? Believe the Good News. For as the Spirit said through John, "No one who is born of God sins but He who was born of God keeps him and the evil one does not touch him."

Now, are you going to believe what you see and what you think or what God says?

Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal: the Lord knows those who are His and everyone who names the name of the Lord MUST abstain from unrighteousness.

"Live in the Spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature." I could just keep rolling through the Scriptures showing about the Kingdom of God and righteousness, but time, business and family do not permit.

I hope this isn't pearls before the swine for all of you!

everybody sees you actively reading and reacting to RECENT posts! But thank you, this made me laugh and brought genuine humor to my day. At least you have that, even if nobody ever takes you seriously again...

SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT, NOT A PRIZE.

Never said it wasn't. The race Paul speaks of is an allegory. Answer the points of the post and I will recant.

Verse by verse within the context of the passage.