Will faith-healers step out in faith and heal Corona virus victims? I doubt it.

If we are going by Peter, he doesn't mention animals what soever in his interpretation. Couple that with the fact God said call nothing that he had cleansed Common.

And No mention of the unclean By God whatsoever.

Plus A distinction is being made between what is common and what is unclean by the word "or".

We can with a certainty rest assure that God was not referring to the animals that were made unfit for consumption

Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common OR unclean.
Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

I'm just waiting for one of these WoF and/or NAR teachers to make good on their word and "bind" this strain of the coronavirus.

But I won't hold my breath, because they can't do it.

Which proves once again that they're nothing more than motivational speakers.

You know, this isn't exactly the same, but when I left a group with false teaching, along with my mother, a former pastor of ours in the group said that she developed breast cancer due to her rejection of the group's false teaching. My mom survived it. Two elders in our former congregation got cancer and died. I doubt God caused either of those men to get cancer, but I found it ironic that they died painful deaths. I pointed this irony out to the former pastor..he had nothing to say. It really doesn't pay to declare that others got a disease or illness due to their relationship with God.

Where did you get that from my friend? I will repost what I just posted above for you here for your prayerful consideration.

Peter said he never partook of anything Common OR unclean. The word "or" makes a distinction between the two. Then God said call nothing that he had cleansed Common. No mention of the unclean By God whatsoever.

Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

In 1999, some charismatic friends of mine, decided to pray for me to be healed of Rhuematoid Arthritis. They believed I would be healed, they prayed for me for hours. One person anointed me with oil. I prayed with them, believing God would heal me.

Instead I was not healed by them then, or since. I trust God that his will for me is being lived out, in many ways, but it didn't include physical healing.

When I wasn't healed, all these people who prayed for me started accusing me of not having enough faith to be healed. They were the ones praying for me. If not having enough faith was the issue, then it was their lack of faith, not mine. Two of these people were my closest friends. They continued to put me down, berate and insult me for not having the faith to be healed. So, I changed churches to a non-charismatic church, where people prayed for me and my husband and children, with fervency and consistency. Many good things came out of that, such as my children finding Christian spouses, and God using my pain for good!

Ironically, one woman who had prayed for me, got breast cancer. She had a mastectomy, but refused chemo and radiation. She claimed healing. Within a year, she was dead when the cancer metastasized. The other friend almost died from an enlarged prostate. He was so convinced God would heal him, while he got worse and worse, he finally collapsed. A friend came by, rushed him to the ER, where he underwent emergency surgery. He still believes in healing, but also that God uses doctors and modern medicine.

I got very depressed as the RA, pain and deformities grew worse, I gained huge amounts of weight, partly due to prednisone use, and partly from lack of exercise. My heart was broken. I turned away from God for 2 years. I stopped praying, reading my Bible, witnessing and going to church. It took 2 years of God telling me to read 5 Psalms a day but I finally did that for 2 years. I met God's people, warts and all! Some people were healed, but the majority were not! But they praised God anyway!

God had called me to seminary in the early 1990s and I didn't go, because I didn't understand the point! Only men could be pastors. Little did I know God had amazing plans for my life, which did not include becoming a senior pastor. So, in 2006, I started taking courses at an online seminary and gradually got back into studying, writing and doing research. And started being more consistent in following Christ all the time, daily! L I finally got on good RA meds, got into long distance daily bicycling, stretches and weights. God more than restored me, although it was a medical remission, as there is no cure for RA. God allowed me to learn how to minister to God's people, and to be a bold witness to the real gospel, not the "name it and claim it" heresy. I read books on both sides of the debate, but God kept giving me verses of encouragement, and I grew so much during those 7 years.

So, not only was I not healed, I was nearly destroyed with people who told me I didn't have enough faith, when Jesus was the most important thing in my life. I ministered to believers who were hurting, damaged and called second class Christians. I have been able to encourage so many who have been lied to, and accused by the devil of not having enough faith.

"For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned." Romans 12:3

It is God who gives us the measure of faith we need. God has been using me in many areas. I am an admin of a group of almost 800 people on FB with RA, and a smaller group for people with bipolar disorder. So many people come to the RA group, come in, and besides the excruciating pain and deformities, they have had their faith battered by charismatics, who are preaching bad theology, and damaging theology. A 1/4 of a verse of Isa. 53:d, does not a doctrine make! It is a verse totally pulled out context, and then paired with the 2 NT verses, which are about Jesus, not believers in the 21st century.

But I won't get into that, now! I would love to debate this issue, using Greek and Hebrew to show the errors of the Health & Wealth gospel. I have researched and written much about this topic. And I can gladly state, that although I am not healed 21 years later, my relationship with God and others had grown so much. I'm grateful God gave me so many verses to show me, that although I was not healed, I have matured and I am closer to Christ than I would have ever been, had I been healed.

"Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5

an enlarged prostate.

I don't, I just disagree with your view that Malchus is one that has not heard or learned of Jesus.

By the time Jesus was about to be crucified, I believed the entire Jewish nation have heard of Jesus, his miracles and what he is claiming to be, that is the Son of God that is prophesied in the OT.

I don't, I just disagree with your view that Malchus is one that has not heard or learned of Jesus.

By the time Jesus was about to be crucified, I believed the entire Jewish nation have heard of Jesus, his miracles and what he is claiming to be, that is the Son of God that is prophesied in the OT.

I mean, as I have already stated, your boss sent you to participate in the arrest of Jesus and you want to tell me he "haven't heard or learned of Jesus"? I am saying your view is very unlikely to be correct, but if you insist on that, I can agree to disagree.

The faith ingredient.
Are you now for it?

What in the world (or in Heaven) do you mean by 'the faith ingredient'?
Faith is not an ingredient in the soup, rather it drinks the soup.

It is a component in us believers.
"Faith is the substance of things hoped for"

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Acts 11
5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:

6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.

8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.

9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Unclean creatures were in the sheet.
God cleansed them
Peter could not accept the unclean (psssst....gentiles)

So you are saying that in spite of God bringing the gentiles "unclean" into His family,and inspite of there being unclean creatures in the sheet,you have some doctrinal issue with a no brainer?

Bizarre.

Will faith healers step out in faith and heal Corona virus victims? I doubt it.

Why isn't Todd White, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, and Bill Johnson hopping on jets, and going to the nations which are most afflicted to heal them?

The article below makes me wonder.

California mega-church cancels its ‘faith healing’ hospital visits, citing coronavirus

BY RYAN SABALOW

A prominent Northern California mega-church whose members believe their prayers heal the sick and raise the dead is advising the faithful to wash their hands, urging those who feel sick to stay home, canceling missionary trips and advising its faith healers to stay away from local hospitals.

Bethel Church leaders say they’re in close contact with local health officials, but they’re not yet canceling services for the 6,300 people who attend services each week in Redding, one of the largest regular gatherings in far Northern California.

“Through email communications, signage, and church announcements, we are actively encouraging health practices and precautions to our whole community,” Aaron Tesauro, a church spokesman, said in an email. “We believe that wisdom, modern medicine, and faith are meant to work together, and express the value for each in the pursuit of continued health and healing.”

Bethel is one of the north state’s largest institutions. Some 2,400 students from around the globe are enrolled at the Redding church’s School of Supernatural Ministry. The church has around 9,100 other members in Redding, Tesauro said.

Bethel faithful are well known in Redding for approaching strangers and offering to touch them and to pray away their ailments including at local healthcare centers — a practice that is now at odds with public health officials’ campaign to limit the spread of the novel coronavirus.

Health officials advise practice “social distancing measures” such as keeping at least six feet of space between people in public settings.

One Redding woman told The Sacramento Bee on Saturday that on Jan. 31, she was approached by two Bethel students in the emergency room at Mercy Medical Center in Redding. The pair said “they would pray over the people there and put Jesus in their hearts and this would heal us all and we didn’t need to stay at the ER and could go home,” the woman said in a text message. She asked not to be identified to protect her family’s privacy.

She said she filed a complaint with the hospital after one of the students touched her 5-year-old daughter without permission. Mercy didn’t return a message seeking comment.

Tesauro said that while students regularly visit hospitals to offer healing services, church leadership is now advising against it.

“Though we believe in a God who actively heals today, students are not being encouraged to visit healthcare settings at this time, and moreover, are taught that even under normal circumstances, they must receive permission from both the facility and the individual before engaging in prayer,” Tesauro said in the email.

Kerri Schuette, a spokeswoman for Shasta County’s Health and Human Services Agency, responded cautiously when asked what someone should do if approached by a stranger seeking to faith heal them.

“I would say that having a healthy barrier between yourself and other people is a good way to protect yourself from any of the diseases that are circulating right now,” she said.

RELIGIOUS SKEPTICS RESPOND

For skeptics of faith healing, Bethel probably would have been criticized no matter what it did in response to the virus.

As it was, there was no shortage of schadenfreude that a church known for claiming to have healed everything from brain tumors to deafness is now telling people to wash their hands to keep disease at bay.

“It’s clear that when it comes to something really serious like coronavirus, their actions speak louder than their words,” said Michael Shermer, the editor of Skeptic magazine and a professor at Chapman University in Southern California. “So, God is omniscient and omnipotent and can cure diseases if he wants, but just in case: wash your hands!”

Bill Johnson, the church’s founder, says on his website that not everyone who wants to be healed will be.

“Many visit Redding weekly, hoping that God will touch them. I am happy to report that many leave well and whole,” Johnson wrote. “But many others leave in the same condition in which they came. I refuse to blame God for this, as though He has a purpose in their disease. While Jesus did not heal everyone alive in His time, He did heal everyone who came to Him. His is the only standard worth following.”

Tesauro, the church spokesman, said the Bethel faithful believe in the healing power of prayer, but God also wants believers to practice common sense. “Healing happens, but it’s foolish to take risks,” he said in an interview.

Bethel is among a group of “charismatic” Pentecostal Christian churches whose beliefs are controversial among evangelicals. During religious functions at Bethel, church members reportedly speak in tongues and members claim gold dust and angel feathers appear out of the air.

Late last year, hundreds of church members gathered in an attempt to resurrect a 2-year-old named Olive Heiligenthal, hours after the toddler had stopped breathing and died on Dec. 14. Church members gathered to sing, “Come alive/ Come alive/ Come alive, dry bones/ Awake, arise/ Inhale the light.” Thousands of people posted on Instagram with the hashtag #WakeUpOlive.

In October 2008, a Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry student moved to Washington and started a “dead-raising team” that worked with members of the local fire department to pray over bodies found on emergency calls, according to the Redding Record Searchlight.

Johnson’s church produces a popular preaching subscription streaming service called Bethel.TV, and it sells products including apparel and books.

Bethel is perhaps best known internationally for its Christian music. Justin Bieber is a fan. The Bethel track “No Longer Slaves” was one the top three songs on his iPod playlist, according to a 2017 Buzzfeed News article. The song’s YouTube video has been played 115 million times.

LAWSUIT OVER CLIFF FALL

Bethel’s belief in the power of resurrection at one point factored into a local attempted murder investigation.

In 2010, a Redding man claimed in a lawsuit that he became paralyzed after he was either pushed or allowed to fall off a cliff above the Sacramento River by two members of the School of Supernatural Ministry after a night of drinking together, the Record Searchlight reported.

Rather than call authorities, the suit alleged the two students, who believed he had died, attempted to reach him so they could pray him back to life. After spending hours unsuccessfully trying to ford the river and push through blackberry bushes, they eventually notified authorities, who found the unconscious man and took him to a local hospital.

For a time, Redding police investigated the incident as a possible attempted murder, but no charges were filed.

Bethel Church has deeply ingrained itself into Redding’s political scene.

In 2011, the city was nearly forced to close its dilapidated Civic Center from a lack of funds. Bethel founded a nonprofit that now manages the facility. The building is still owned by the city, and the church says the nonprofit is an independent entity from the church.

The Civic Center receives $750,000 a year from the church, which uses it for its School of Supernatural Ministry. The building also is featured prominently on the church’s website.

https://www.sacbee.com/entertainmen...h9YZVQc8PRw87IAywrLwRJWsV42KExgl5di6aWLdofNzc

Faith is created by God's Spirit working in conjunction with His Word.
Faith is not something we can drum up, boast of to others, or carry about like a laser gun, nor does it declare it's own reality based on a pseudo confidence.

"Benny Hinn is a wonderful man of God".

You lost me with that remark.

No, what you are saying is that anyone who claims to be a man of God is a man of God, and cannot be criticized.

Benny Hinn is a false teacher, who milks naive people so he can live a lavish lifestyle.

And, he's a ridiculous false teacher that no one but the most shallow people would believe.

What's an example of this? In the late 1990's, he claimed that funeral homes were going to be installing TVs in their viewing rooms, and that the corpses would be hearing his TV show and being raised from the dead.

Here's what he said:

“But here’s first what I see for TBN. You’re going to have people raised from the dead watching this network. You’re going to have people raised from the dead watching TBN….I’m telling you, I see this in the Spirit. It’s going to be so awesome – Jesus I give you praise for this – that people around the world – maybe not so much in America – people around the world who will lose loved ones, will say to undertakers ‘Not yet. I want to take my dead loved one and place him in front of that TV set for 24 hours’….I see rows of caskets lining up in front of this TV set and I see them bringing them closer to the TV set and as people are coming closer I see actual loved ones picking up the hands of the dead and letting them touch the screen and people are getting raised as their hands are touching that screen.”

Now did this happen? NO. Yet, his naive fans will continue to praise him.

Here's other prophecies:

"The Spirit tells me Fidel Castro will die in the ’90s. Oh, my! Some will try to kill him and they will not succeed, but there will come a change in his physical health and he will not stay in power and Cuba will be visited of God."

This didn't happen. In fact, Castro was so old at the time it's a wonder he didn't die. But Benny couldn't even guess that one right.

What do we call people who prophesy falsely? False prophets. Except in the case of some charismatics, I guess...it is ok to be a false prophet if you're wrong 80 percent of the time, I guess..or maybe all the time.

Ask Costi Hinn, his nephew. He's written two books on the subject of Word of Faith teachers.

He has numerous videos on Youtube exposing the problems with their doctrines.

Here's what it boils down to: I am not Word of Faith, and I don't want new Christians or future Christians thinking that such charlatans represent US.

They DON'T. We don't drink their Kool-aid.

Here are links to Costi Hinn's books:

God, Greed, and the Prosperity Gospel, Costi Hinn

https://smile.amazon.com/God-Greed-Prosperity-Gospel-Overwhelms/dp/0310355273/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=397LYHM54PDZ0&dchild=1&keywords=costi+hinn+god+greed+and+the+prosperity+gospel&qid=1584088626&sprefix=Costi+Hinn,aps,208&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUE3NzQxWDY3NUZOQjcmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA5NTg0NTMzSVU1WTZaOFozNlVQJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA3OTg1NTUxOUJFR1lGOExMMk9VJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

Defining Deception: Freeing the Church from the Mystical/Miracle Movement

https://smile.amazon.com/Defining-Deception-Freeing-Mystical-Miracle-Movement/dp/0986444243/ref=sr_1_3?crid=397LYHM54PDZ0&dchild=1&keywords=costi+hinn+god+greed+and+the+prosperity+gospel&qid=1584088668&sprefix=Costi+Hinn,aps,208&sr=8-3

By the way, I was a member of a cult as a young man, and I don't see cultists as being much worse off than Word of Faith/Health, Wealth, Prosperity Gospel teachers.

AND, by the way, these guys are not passive in their contempt for non-WOF. For instance, Bill Johnson says anyone who believes that God has purpose in human suffering believes a false gospel.

So, such individuals themselves have drawn lines such as this. If they want to label non-WOF believersas teaching a false gospel, fine. They've drawn the lines THEMSELVES in this regards.

https://www.challies.com/articles/the-false-teachers-benny-hinn/
https://www.equip.org/hank_speaks_out/benny-hinns-false-prophecies/

Anyways, you can claim someone is speaking for Satan if you want. The reality is that there are false teachers in the Church and their claims need to be addressed. Potential and new Christians need to realize that THESE GUYS DON'T REPRESENT SOUND EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANITY.

The bible defines it.
You need verses to void my verses or something.

In the ot they would council with God to see if their army would win.
Their faith would build or rise up once they had the surety.
Same with healing. I invoke the verses that promise the outcome.
God said it,so it must be so.
God can not lie.
So my acting is my believing,my faith.
I join my faith with his word.
This in part is what God is saying "with out faith it is impossible to please God"
My faith increases with God.

Iow I KNOW his will,I see his willingness,I get his word in my spirit to agree with moving on his word.
I step out in faith. A faith that is built on several components. It is all working together to my benefit. Increase.
More faith.

Now what brings less faith?
What erodes my faith?
Fear
Negative report
My human eyes telling me "why am I seeing no results"
Or simply emasculating promises to my own animia.
IOW the wrong picture.
David used the prophetic as a weapon against Goliath.
David punched the video of his conquest. "This is what God did"
Then the prophetic
"This is what God will do"
David's faith was built in the wilderness.

Sometimes of you "reverse" it,it comes in focus.
Faith can easily be diminished. Bring in the wrong components and faith becomes damaged and less.

I refuse to say one way or another that Malchus was either a denier of Jesus or he hadn't heard enough about Him to form a firm decision one way or another.

Yup....you are one of those types I see. Keep listening to the world and you will miss what God is doing, I don't banter with people bashing our brothers in Christ. And you aren't doing it via a mistake, you actually believe this, so that lets me know you can't see into the Spirit world at all.