Refuting The Cessationism Doctrine: Spiritual Gifts, Tongues, Miracles Haven’t Ceased Since Pentecost!!

The word of God says the gifts passed away with the Apostles who distributed them.

Provide THAT SCRIPTURE PLEASE!

That is scripture too

I told you like many others have , it's out of our hands and I don't care .. I hate it for you though

What do you think of the covid 19 situation then? If signs and wonders have not ceased, why is even Bethel church canceling all their healing squads now, and moving to online services?

Interesting questions. It could be his gift was evangelism and not 'follow-up'. Others thing it was important for the apostles to be involved in the conversion of the first foreigners post Pentecost.



Your memory is a little off on this one. James wrote to the church about calling for the elders. The next part of the chapter says to confess your faults one to another and pray one for another that ye may be healed. So not elders could minister in healing, but also all members of the body of Christ.

You are treating one verse as if it contradicts or overrides another. The Bible shows many ways people can be healed. One is through Jesus or the apostles laying hands on them. Another is for 'them that believe' the apostles message to lay hands on the sick. Another is through the elders anointing the sick with oil and praying the prayer of faith. Another is through confessing sins to one another and praying through one another. Psalm 107:20 says, "He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions. " People can be healed by the word of God. And plenty of people are healed because God is merciful to us. Unbelievers get cuts and colds that heal up.

A reference to one means of healing does not negate other references to healing. And James could be an early epistle.

God can heal supernaturally, but Paul still gave Timothy health advice. Paul himself had an infirmity that led him to first visit the Galatians, which probably occurred around 14, but clearly by Acts 16 at the latest, but performed great miracles after this.




Have you actually read these documents or studied early church leaders writings? The Didache and Justin Martyr refer to prophets among the Christians at that time, and the Didache gives detailed instructions. I'm not sure if they mentions healing. Ireneaus, a missionary to Gaul, had known Polycarp when he was young and Polycarp was old. Ireneaus wrote of brethren healing, miracles, prophesying, having foreknowledge, speaking in tongues, etc. He considered rejecting prophecy to be a characteristic of the heresies, and also thought that all churches should be able to raise the dead as his had.

Tertullian wrote of healing and casting out demons in his day. This has some quotes:
https://www1.cbn.com/signs-and-wonders-early-post-apostolic-era



If you read I Corinthians, it is implied that the Corinthians were violating the order that Paul was instructing them about, yet their gifts were genuine. In Seymour's newsletter, at one point, he wrote about the need for order when it came to speaking in tongues, and having interpretation of tongues. If they had genuine gifts and used them in a disorderly manner at first, like the Corinthians were doing, that doesn't mean the gifts were false. The Corinthians' gifts were not fake. And I have come across three or four references to people speaking in tongues that people knew at the Azusa Street revival, and the interpretation of a message in Russian was confirmed by a Russian speaker. One of the attendees said people hearing their own language is part of what drew the crowds.

You need to find an exception or retract your claims.

This is not at all what Pentecostalism teaches. We shouldn't judge all Pentecostals by some of the bad ones. But I do agree, the charlatans out there really make me sick. They are trying to benefit off God and to me that just ain't cool. They are making money off God's name through false works, getting up saying God told them to say or do something when he did not (trying to make a false name for themselves). They do not have the genuine Spirit of God. They are misleading others and the blood will be on there hands come judgement day.

...This is completely bogous and asinine and unbiblical...

Because of wisdom. A gift apparently that not all have?

It was never in your hands or you would prove it.

I have prayed for healings of cancer , heart attacks attack emergencies , blind, stuff that someone for months just fall out and couldn't walk , prayed for obese folks, alcoholics that I can think of and seen them get healed that's off the top of my head ..

No one is disputing the efficacy of prayer. We are talking about miracle workers in the churches going out and clearing out the hospitals. When Christ was doing His healing miracles, He was clearing out the equivalent of many hospitals. So if someone wants to insist that those miracle workers are around, there should be tangible evidence. We all would love to see this, but it is not evident.

No one is disputing the efficacy of prayer. We are talking about miracle workers in the churches going out and clearing out the hospitals. When Christ was doing His healing miracles, He was clearing out the equivalent of many hospitals. So if someone wants to insist that those miracle workers are around, there should be tangible evidence. We all would love to see this, but it is not evident.

We need a gif of someone beating this gif, because it is overused too. Someone beating a dead works of a dead horse beating video.

It's overused because there are so many times it's effective. It is the symptom, not the sickness.

I have prayed for healings of cancer , heart attacks attack emergencies , blind, stuff that someone for months just fall out and couldn't walk , prayed for obese folks, alcoholics that I can think of and seen them get healed that's off the top of my head .. I pray for folks when I run across them , I don't have a Dr's office .. I've prayed and knew when and what to tell some one , I've prayed for a man to find a wife and that Mon met a girl and they were married two weeks later , they come to see me and I had to tell them to cut that stuff out sitting on my couch .. I remember stuff all day long Jesus has did in my life, I wish I had written it all down .. I already have faith , what's your problem Dave .. You need to shut up, humble yourself before the Lord and go on a fast for about a week to ten days and seek Jesus ,you're the fake around here and I say that sadly ... You think it's easy praying and going without food for days for nothing but concern for others and desire for Jesus .. I've always been a champion on my own God given ability and I quit using it for my own benefit when I found Jesus .. I've had extreme hardships like any Christian but I don't dwell on that crap and you think because you don't get Gods attention anymore you can cast darkness on me .. You are a dime a dozen little blowfly .. Repent and be revived by Jesus .. I pray you will find your way back to Jesus friend

Hello sir,,I have made NO claims in this thread!
IN other threads I have posted the word only,letting God speak for Himself!
He doesn't need us,but we need Him,all the truths,the blessings,the promises,the discipline and even the chastisement of His word!
Now I ask kindly" put up or shut up" your ignorance is showing!

No one is disputing the efficacy of prayer. We are talking about miracle workers in the churches going out and clearing out the hospitals. When Christ was doing His healing miracles, He was clearing out the equivalent of many hospitals. So if someone wants to insist that those miracle workers are around, there should be tangible evidence. We all would love to see this, but it is not evident.

Good for you. The prayer of faith will heal the sick. But you should not confuse this with the signs and wonders gifts found in Acts which included tongues and prophecy. These ended in the Epistles and formally expired with the apostles.