Is it a sin to drink alcohol

I think you do not understand the context to ask such a question.

Possible to do actually, for too much water will also drain the system of vitamins, nutrients, and literally 'drown' the system, and affect the thinking, and a woman, for a radio contest died from drinking too much water. - http://www.nbcnews.com/id/16614865/ns/us_news-life/t/woman-dies-after-water-drinking-contest/

A dodge maybe. Not being given to much wine implies a little is okay.

I wonder how many of these Pharisees on here pointing the accusing finger at those on here who occasionally drink alcohol while looking down their Pharisaical noses have zero problems with a fellow member popping a couple Valiums or Xanax's to calm their nerves?

They'd use the cop out quote of they got them from a prescription written by a doctor. Yet, I know of quite a few doctors...see quacks...who lost their licenses because they were a little to liberal with the pen. Just because they have a prescription does not mean its legit.

But Pharisee away...

Wine has been symbolic for the Spirit in the Christ's parables. I don't think wine would be prohibited if He used that which is 'devil's juice'.

With the Holy Ghost, comes "peace", and no need for pharmakeia.

Yes, 'wine' the pure juice of the grape, the fruit of the vine is a symbol of the Holy Spirit.

The other kind of 'wine' (alcoholic), is associated with unclean and defiling spirits.

When people desire to satisfy their lust for alcohol, their belly is their 'god', and they always seem to point to bad examples in scriptures, to attempt to justify their sin. once such case, is the case of Noah:

What about Noah?


Some will point to the events in the life of Noah as an example of drinking alcoholic wine, and cite him for 'casual (moderate) drinking of alcohol'.

They might as well cite Nabal (1 Sam. 25:36), that "son of Belial" (1 Sam. 25:17) for *wonderful* conduct (sarcasm). Simply pointing to examples in the bible, where sinfulness abounds, or ignorance or surprise that leads to embarrassment, things happen to justify ones own sins and lusts and carnality, why bother? Simply pointing to a bad or embarrassing example is no justification for more bad examples. However, let us take a look at the events in Noah and see what happened.

Noah was given a name which meant 'rest':


Out of all the wickedness before the flood, Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord:


The Holy Ghost by Paul, said of Noah that he was one of "faith" and an "heir of righteousness which is by faith":

The Holy Ghost by Peter, said of Noah, that he was "saved" and he was used by Jesus, through the Holy Ghost to preach to the sinners (those in the 'prison', bondage, the slavery of sin) in his own day:


God places Noah in the same class of righteousness and faithfulness as Daniel and job:

The Holy Ghost by Peter, said that Noah was a "preacher of righteousness" and was not one of the "ungodly" which perished, but "suffer[ed] for righteousness' sake" and not "Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing" when the ungodly were around him while the Ark was being built, as they mocked, "where is the promise of his coming (Genesis 3:15)" (2 Pet. 3:4):


Noah was commanded by God to take all the food that is eaten upon the ark:

This was the fruit trees and green herb:

This would include the grape vine, so that Noah could later "plant a vineyard" (Gen. 9:20).

The flood was global and covered all the earth destroying all air breathing land animals and man outside of the ark:

Let us go to the Biblical Flood ...:

As for the size of the Flood it was completely Global [as in not local, not 'ethnocentric', but rather was covering the whole surface of the entire earth below the heavens even as high as 15 cubits above the "then" highest mountains].

The Bible says that the whole earth (world, not land) was completely covered and water stood 15 cubits above the tallest mountains:

Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. (Genesis 7:20)

Other mentions of the great flood:


Others, seeking to make excuses, cite other passages, but do not consider their context, and so dealing with 'roaring lions' and 'here be dragons'...


These are not the only reasons, but just a few of the Major ones, and a list of over 100 [scripturally and scientifically] could be cited, as has been done by others. No matter what one currently believes [atheist or Christian, etc], if they are true to the scriptures in what they plainly teach and say [whether or not you actually believe it], they cannot objectively come to any other conclusions based upon its own consistent and internal evidence that the Noachian Flood was indeed Global and only 4,500 years ago [est].

There is no room for a "compromised" position, no room to be sitting on the fence.

Additionally [The Global Flood totally wipes out the evolutionary and long age model. How so? Think about it. What does it mean for the evolutionary timescales if all life [basically] had to start from square one only 4,500 years ago. It cannot be both ways. Compromise is impossible.]

After Noah got out of the Ark (after a year (est.) in the Ark), he sacrificed unto God and God made an eternal covenant with him, which is the continuation of Genesis 3:15, see Genesis 9:1-17 KJB.

Then we read, and interesting event in the life of righteous Noah:

We see that Noah, was not a husbandmen yet, and was unlearned, but was in a new situation, and so, "began to be an husbandman" (Gen. 9:20).

There is no evidence that Noah was such before, but just began to be such, and therefore would have not have all the knowledge of grapes that were crushed and left outside, or even inside for very long, in the new conditions that the earth was under, the several curses.

So, in his new experience, "he planted a vineyard".

We can see that the process of time takes place between Genesis 9:20, and Genesis 9:21, since 'grapes' which come from the 'vine', do not ferment immediately, but will begin to depending upon the surrounding conditions (such as temp.) and the container that they are in.

Noah was not in a valley, but high up in a mountainous area of the Ararat (Gen. 8:4) for the Ark landed, somewhere near "the tops of the mountains" (Gen. 8:5), and in a short time the ground was dry from the wind, and higher elevation. This would affect the conditions, such as higher elevation, closer to the sun, less atmosphere, no large trees for shade, and only the Ark and a "tent" (Gen. 9:21) for living quarters, and storage, etc.

God had "blessed" Noah (Gen. 9:1).

However, there was this incident in which Noah drank of the fruit of the vine, after it had enough time to ferment. The water outside of the Ark would be brackish, and salty and nigh undrinkable, and so they had to rely on what they had available, or for the rains in their season in the seedtime and harvest (Gen. 8:22).

The text does not say that Noah knew that the fruit of the vine "wine" had become fermented and purposefully got drunk through the fermented fruit. It just says that "Noah drank of the wine", which is simply the juice of the grape, then having become fermented through time and condition and continually partaking of it as it slowly fermented, like a frog in hot water, and so snuck up on Noah, taking him unawares.

The text then says:


And so, because of the effect of the (now alcoholic in content) juice ("wine"), Noah became hot and removed his clothing, and lay down in his tent.

Ham, his son, became aware of this, and looked upon his father, in the tent, and instead of "Honouring [his] father" (Exodus 20:12), went and told his brothers about the event, bringing shame upon his father.


However, the two brothers, when made aware of this about their father, did so "Honour [their] father" (Exodus 20:12), and even covered their eyes:


When Noah woke up, and became aware of this event, through Shem and Japheth who told him, Noah said:

The curse upon Canaan, was because of the dishonour of Ham to Noah, and also showed his dishonour toward his heavenly Father (not loving his neighbour; Lev. 19:17-18, and so did not love God aright, Deut. 6:5). The sins of the fathers, and their actions, attitude, are taught to their children, and thus Canaan would become like Ham, and so too their descendants (Canaanites).

The events in the life of Noah, are no example of 'causal ('moderate') drinking of alcohol', but is an example to always be watchful of the "fruit of the vine" (aka "wine") when left too long, and becomes alcoholic, bringing confusion and nakedness (shame). Therefore, so the spiritual. Some take the fruit of the vine of the scripture and turn it into hemlock, and confusion, and so are naked and asleep in their "tent".

You know absolutely nothing about what you post. There was a couple in Minnesota(iirc) who had a diabetic daughter. She took ill and instead of seeking medical help, the laid hands on her in prayer. She died. Sometimes you need to practical about things. God gave the medical field folks knowledge in how to treat things like anxiety, depression, diabetes, thyroid problems, &c.

I am not for sure if this is the same couple, as they were from Philadelphia.

https://www.fox8live.com/story/2205...-prayer-instead-of-seeking-medical-treatment/

They were from Wisconsin. This makes two married couples who did this and killed their child. You know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about that which you post, Pharisee.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/21/us/21faith.html

You didn't read what I said carefully enough. I didn't say anything about not needing a physician when needed. I said no need for pharmakeia.

Diabetes II is easily reversible through natural things, and as for Diabetes I, even that can be healed, just ask Eric Wilson of Isaiah Ministries, whose pancreas began working again after many years.

Jesus is the Great Physician, and Luke was an understudy. They both used natural remedies of the earth, along with faith in God's word. Mud upon the eyes, the grace juice for the stomach, etc. Herb for the service of mankind, even as the poultice of figs upon the wound of the king.

This does not negate the need for surgery when required, as Jesus performed surgeries also and even gave such advice, naturally and spiritually. In example, cut off (surgery) the hand that offends (spiritually), etc. Cut a member off from the church when needful as Paul (spiritual surgery), etc. The word of God itself cuts to the heart. Yet, the physician cuts to heal, the butcher cuts to kill.

You have misrepresented my response in your willingness to simply justify yourself.

You denying the use of meds is quite telling. Grape juice for the stomach. That's a humdinger.

You would be deemed an unfit parent and thrown into jail just like those other two couples did who insisted on prayer over medicating their children. God gave us these meds to use.

Are you sure the fruit of the tree yielding seed isn't referring unto the seed inside the nut, like pecans, walnuts, etc? Using herb bearing seed as a example, if you notice he gave the green herb to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the firmament and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth.

However, does what we eat while in the flesh affect our heavenly, or spiritual body since I think that it is a well established fact that what a person eats in the earthly, or corporeal body definitely has a consequence upon the their physical body of flesh.

One has to consider that when the male and female become aware of the mortal nature of their earthly body, they sewed the leaves of the fig tree to cover their nakedness indicates that they must have been in close proximity of a fig tree. Which in Proverbs 27:18 it is written, "Whoso keepeth the fig tree shall eat the fruit thereof..." Have you considered what is written in John 1:48, "Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee."?

So, how do you interpret passages to arrive at this conclusion? If the word for wine is used in a positive context, do you say, "Oh, that must mean grape juice", but if in a negative context you say, "that must mean fermented wine"? Even though it is the same word?

The Psalms say that God gave man wine to make his heart merry. What kind of wine is that?

Here's your sign......

What else WOULD they use?

Do you honestly think that Jesus would tell us to NOT use life-saving drugs, if they were available?

You are seldom right, but never uncertain, I'll give you that.

So give us a few more page long cut and pastes... I'm certain we all haven't had enough blather from you, yet.....

isnt alcoholic wine just rotten grape juice? thats why it smells so bad?