Not By Works

Those who believe that future sins are not forgive quote that verse in order to be forgiven.

If we confess then God will forgive, if not then not.

They were professing faith?

Could you rephrase the question please? Does Hebrew 9:27-28 help?

I agree with your comments almost entirely with exception: I do think James focus is on works in demonstration of faith. He even cites Abraham and Rahab as examples of works of faith. I also believe the scriptures, not me, are saying works are required in demonstration of our faith. I believe your comments say the same thing.

Um no This would be your first mistake.If they had true faith they would have been created anew, and their faith would have produced. You do not say you trust someone yet not do anything they ask. If so. Your really had no faiht at all. Your just playing games



1. Why did you skip vs 22? Those who come to Jesus and lay their works at his feet, as if God should take these works and use them for something?
2. What did he say in vs 23? they practiced lawlessness, Not righteousness
3. He also said He never knew them, and told them to depart from him

You see. NOSAS people want to use this passage to say it destroys OSAS. When n fact it destroys NOSAS.

1. You can not use this to claim people had living faith, Because it proves these people NEVER had living faith (they practiced sin not righteousness)
2. You can not use this to prove they were saved then lost it. Because Jesus tells us, HE NEVER KNEW THEM, if they were saved at one time, then lost it (NOSAS) then Jesus lied. because at one time, Jesus had a relationship with them as their father, and they his children, And he would have KNOWN them Saying he NEVER knew them proves they were never his children
3. We can also look to Johns epistle. When john said whoever sins has never seen God. So we see John tells us these people who practice sin has never seen or known God just as Jesus said he never knew them
4. In the same epistle (chapter 3 of the 1st letter) John also says whoever has been born of God can not practice sin, so we see with certainty these people were never born of God, because they practice sin.

The will of our Heavenly Father is that we have faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus teaches us that whoever believes in Him is saved, not whoever works is saved.

Yes it’s is by christ

so how does that cause their forgiveness if they claim Christ on,y died for past sin?

What about Romans 4 then,

that say works have no bearing on our faith or our salvation ?

and also, James said faith plus no works

how many works then would it take to prove faith?

What about Romans 4 then,

that say works have no bearing on our faith or our salvation ?

and also, James said faith plus no works

how many works then would it take to prove faith?

Do good O LORD, unto those that be good, and to them that are upright in their hearts. As for such as turn aside unto their crooked ways, the LORD shall lead them forth with the workers of iniquity (Psalm 125:4-5).

Now, keeping this in mind:

But and if that SERVANT...shall begin to beat the men servants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and be drunken; the lord of that SERVANT will...cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion WITH THE UNBELIVERS (Luke 12:45-46).

There are many OSAS’ers here. And OSAS seems to be an easy path to God. No suffering in the flesh is required, no righteous living, no cessation from sin.

It’s like a man committing a crime, and the police pursue him. But once the police get close to him, and see his righteous apparel, they say, He’s okay, he’s clothed in righteousness. Then apologize to the criminal for not seeing his holy clothing.

OSAS is that WIDE GATE spoken of in Matthew 7:13, and many there truly be that go in there at.

He that has ears to hear, let him hear!

My previous post make it clear I accept none can earn salvation by works. The scriptures are clear on the importance of works. Faith without works is dead - not my words see [James 2:26]

James 2:26 - Faith without works is dead.

Do good O LORD, unto those that be good, and to them that are upright in their hearts. As for such as turn aside unto their crooked ways, the LORD shall lead them forth with the workers of iniquity (Psalm 125:4-5).

Now, keeping this in mind:

But and if that SERVANT...shall begin to beat the men servants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and be drunken; the lord of that SERVANT will...cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion WITH THE UNBELIVERS (Luke 12:45-46).

There are many OSAS’ers here. And OSAS seems to be an easy path to God. No suffering in the flesh is required, no righteous living, no cessation from sin.

It’s like a man committing a crime, and the police pursue him. But once the police get close to him, and see his righteous apparel, they say, He’s okay, he’s clothed in righteousness. Then apologize to the criminal for not seeing his holy clothing.

OSAS is that WIDE GATE spoken of in Matthew 7:13, and many there truly be that go in there at.

He that has ears to hear, let him hear!

I reiterate my question, does faith alone save?

James 2:26 - Faith without works is dead.

Those referenced in Matthew 7:21-23 are clearly ones professing faith in Jesus. Verse 22 They are ones who also profess to do powerful works in Jesus name. Verse 23 Jesus clearly shows a professed faith if not supported by works in accord with his Fathers will would not qualify one for entry into the Kingdom of the Heavens.

It would be a misunderstanding to say Christ died for only past sins. One needs to believe on Jesus and receive him to be saved. I believe misunderstanding/misinterpretation can and does happen still.

Perhaps oftentimes when speaking of past sins one means sins committed before becoming Christian. Though literally speaking, all the sins we commit are future tense from the cross.

At the same time, God knows everything that will happen from the very beginning as if it already occurred.

We (Gods children) are sanctified positionally through the blood of Christ covering us.

We (Gods children) are sanctified daily through His works in us.