Explain, "The unpardonable sin".

This is not about human apostles.

Jesus, not the Father, rebuked Satan. Why is this concept so difficult for you to grasp?

I didn't say that it was. However, Jesus was God in the flesh.

That is not true. The Holy Spirit never takes over our choice to choose and there is no scripture that says so. We maintain our free will no matter what. Look at Judas, He went out with the 12 and then the 70 and cast out demons and healed to sick and infirm even though he would be the one who would betray Christ. Even after spending 3 years hanging out with Christ.
Luk 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
Luk 9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
According to Luke 10:20 the names of the disciples were already written in heaven and that includes Judas
Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
Mat 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
Mat 10:3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
Mat 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
Judas himself healed to sick and cast out demons by the power of the Holy Spirit that Christ gave them to use to glorify God yet even after being a part of casting out demons and healing the sick by the power of the Holy Spirit, JUDAS STILL CHOSE TO BETRAY CHRIST.
In these last verses 3 verses Christ tell the twelve that their reward can not be lost under the circumstances described by Christ in all of Matthew chapter 10.
Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Mat 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
Mat 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
Judas was among those twelve but Judas choose to betray Christ even after Christ gave him power by the Holy Spirit to cast out demons and heal the sick. So by the standerds set forth by the above scrptures we never loose the gift of free will and we can choose to turn our backs on Christ even after receiving the Holy Spirit. The name of Judas was already written in heaven before he betrayed Christ and we know his name was removed from heaven after he betrayed Christ.

(This sin has nothing to do with unbelief, Jesus himself, God the Father, or personal sins of the flesh).

I’ll try to relate what the sin that can’t be forgiven Is by describing something.
When a child gets mad and says something like they hate GOD and then later on they cool off and wish they hadn’t said that because that’s not how they really feel,that Is not their True feelings from the heart and that will be forgiven But when a person commits the unpardonable sin,that means a person feels that way For Real that’s the way they Truly feel from the heart so then It has become unpardonable because the only way to come to GOD IS In TRUTH and If the person Really feels like GOD IS not right then they can’t come to GOD ,they Really doomed themselves once they truly really don’t care.

The sin that can’t be forgiven. Its remaining un redeemed after person hears the gospel . In that way anything that does not come from hearing God, mixing faith in what is seen or heard, is sin.

Hebrew 6 provides a good example of those of those who hear but refuse to believe God not seen and perform the work as he does work in the true believer to both will and empower to finish the words of His law. .

Faith is not the opposite of doubt .That opposite is unbelief. faith is the door to the eternal

Repenting using a child as to true feeling or false is another matter. Older people have a need to put away childish things just as the younger. Its not a age appropriate gift but a learning curve.

Feeling can show we are being comforted by reason of Him calling us back after we have returned. But there is no true outward sign assigned to the work of him moving us to repent.

Read my post a few times so that you can respond sensibly because I don't think you really understand what I'm trying to Impart.

If a person has unbelief Is this permanent and can't be forgiven?

Hi thanks .Sorry if I am not clear.


All of mankind is born without faith. None not little. .Faith is a work God works in us called a labor of love. It is the work of God by which we can believe,(John 6) Without it, His faith working in us no man could please God .He commands us through his living, abiding word to believe without murmuring . Murmuring is what caused the fall .

satan. . . I freely will be like God .

God is not a man.

We can plant the incorruptible seed ( faith)by which mankind is born again after. God as the source of faith causes life or growth if any

Faith gives a person ears or a understanding that comes from the mind of God.

He by faith performs that which he appoints for us. We begin with the hearing of faith. Our first experience of his love working in us and end with that same power of faith in us. . . . not of us.

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Galaitian3: 1-5

Faith is always considerer a work of the unseen eternal .By it we can believe.

Philippians 2:12-14 King James Version (KJV)Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Yes God can open up or ears and reveal the things not seen giving us his understanding. . We bring it as it is written he teaches it to some.


Good example.

Read my post a few times so that you can respond sensibly because I don't think you really understand what I'm trying to Impart.

If a person has unbelief Is this permanent and can't be forgiven?
Can a person that doesn't believe,at some point start believing ,or Is unbelieving permanent?

I say a person that doesn't believe today can start believing tomorrow because they don't mean In truth what they are feeling at the time but a person that really doesn't believe In GOD IS not going to believe tomorrow,they wouldn't be mad they just wouldn't care.

Repenting using a child Is another matter? ok,Replace the child and use Any one that gets mad at GOD then after they cool off wish they hadn't felt that way at the time that they were mad.Will that sin be from the heart permanently or will that sin be forgiven not being from the heart but just temporary anger?
I was using the child simply because I thought It would be easier to understand.

I'm sorry to inform you that there are tons of scriptures, which do prove that we don't have a free will. We are all born slaves to sin and as such we are all dead in our sins and trespasses.
We can't use Judas as any kind of example, because he was a unique case. He was specifically created for the purpose of betraying Christ.
It just comes back to the question of God's sovereignty over all things, you obviously don't believe that He is and I do believe that He is. You obviously believe in salvation by making a wise choice between heaven and hell and I believe in salvation by Gods grace.

My reason for believing that we don't chose God and that He chooses us instead is, imagine if God sent Christ into the world and suffer horribly to offer salvation to the world and nobody accepted His offer. It would be very humiliating and embarrassing form God, so I don't believe that God is a God who tries to do anything. I believe that He is almighty, so He always accomplish every single goal He sets out to accomplish.
I know there are lots views out there, but the scriptures make it abundantly clear that God is all powerful so there's nothing He can't do. We all have a pride problem, so we love to take some glory for ourselves and claim that we contributed to our salvation.
If a person is saved, they can never lose it because God is not a loser. He always wins.

Rom 3:23 all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
(NOTE: Scripture proclaims that ALL are sinners)

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
NOTE: Bad news - Sins wage/sentence that we're all quilty of = DEATH. Good news - The gift of God/Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38, 10:45) gives eternal life to everyone who BELIEVES in Jesus sin atonement/payment & resurrection)

John 12:32 Jesus said; if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw "all" men unto me.
(NOTE: Jesus was in fact, lifted up on a cross & will draw "ALL" to Himself)

Matt 12:31 Jesus said; All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
(NOTE: Christ via the indwelling Holy Spirit draws ALL. Everyone has a choice, except & believe or reject & deny/don't believe in Christ's sin atonement & resurrection. Continued rejection until life's end, results in eternal separation from our creator)

John 16:
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
(NOTE: The Comforter = God's gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit. See Jn 14:26)

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
(NOTE: The Holy Spirit will reprove/expose/convict everyone of, sins? NO of "SIN" singular.)

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
NOTE: We all have a choice, except & believe or reject/deny & don't believe in Christ's sin atonment & resurrection until lifes end.)

John 8:24 Jesus said; ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
NOTE: Everyone has a choice, except & believe or deny/reject & don't believe in Christ's sin atonment & resurrection until lifes end.)

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(NOTE: Anyone that places their BELIEF on/in Christ WILL NOT be CONDEMNED. Anyone that REJECTS & remains in UNBELIEF is & will be CONDEMNED)

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
(NOTE: Jesus is the grace of God)

Accept God's grace/undeserved favor: Believe in the faithful, obedient sin atoning death (sins required wage PAID), burial (proof Jesus died) & resurrection (Father's receipt, sins payment receiced & accepted) of Jesus the Christ.[/

Unbelief IS pardonable. No one is reading the wording in Matthew 12: 31,32, or Mark 3: 28-30 with verse 30 given as an example. It's as if a question is asked from a Biblical text or verse, and everyone puts aside the word of God and start to chit-chat about what think or what some commentary thinks. The only truth out there is the word of God, but no one is reading what the words are saying!

Ok talk is cheap. Put some scriptures where you mouth is. Prove me wrong by using scripture.
By your way of thinking God created some to suffer in hell for an eternity and some he created to live in Heaven for an eternity and if that is the case then what is the point of salvation. We shouldn't even need to be saved by Christ because we would already be saved from our mothers womb or for others they would have been predistened to suffer in hell from the womb of their mother so what would be the point of God creating any soul knowing He created that soul to suffer horrible pain and agony for an eternity.
No way Hosae you are wacked out.

That is not true. The Holy Spirit never takes over our choice to choose and there is no scripture that says so. We maintain our free will no matter what. Look at Judas, He went out with the 12 and then the 70 and cast out demons and healed to sick and infirm even though he would be the one who would betray Christ. Even after spending 3 years hanging out with Christ.
Luk 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
Luk 9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
According to Luke 10:20 the names of the disciples were already written in heaven and that includes Judas
Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
Mat 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
Mat 10:3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
Mat 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
Judas himself healed to sick and cast out demons by the power of the Holy Spirit that Christ gave them to use to glorify God yet even after being a part of casting out demons and healing the sick by the power of the Holy Spirit, JUDAS STILL CHOSE TO BETRAY CHRIST.
In these last verses 3 verses Christ tell the twelve that their reward can not be lost under the circumstances described by Christ in all of Matthew chapter 10.
Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Mat 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
Mat 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
Judas was among those twelve but Judas choose to betray Christ even after Christ gave him power by the Holy Spirit to cast out demons and heal the sick. So by the standerds set forth by the above scrptures we never loose the gift of free will and we can choose to turn our backs on Christ even after receiving the Holy Spirit. The name of Judas was already written in heaven before he betrayed Christ and we know his name was removed from heaven after he betrayed Christ.

Well don’t stop there, give us your Interpretation of one of those books, chapters and verses that helps us understand how unbelief Is pardonable,by the way I agree with you that unbelief Is pardonable If unbelief Is not baked In so to speak where unbelief to them Is synonymous with I don’t care?

(Joh 8:24) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

The only unpardonable sin.

God Bless..

If you are saying unbelief is the unpardonable sin...not saying you are saying it, but that seems to me what you're saying here

Hi!


The Redeemer said;
Joh 8:24) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

And no offfense, Im saying, its is not about me or you him , her or them, it is all about Yahweh and His Messiah......

God Bless....

If you are saying unbelief is the unpardonable sin...not saying you are saying it, but that seems to me what you're saying here...then none can be saved. All the lost were in a state of unbelief PRIOR to being saved. So, if unbelief is the unpardonable sin, then all of us are doomed.