Sure to Make a Big Splash!

There is no nobility in teaching something contrary to scripture. It matters not how ardently it is believed if it is wrong it is wrong. Souls are saved by grace not by water baptism.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Water baptism in Jesus' name is required only one time. However, as Paul pointed out if one had been baptized differently they were required to be re-baptized in the name of Jesus. (Acts 19:2-6) Complying with water baptism is a necessary component of salvation. However, being filled with the Holy Spirit is also necessary. (Acts 2:38, 8:12-17, 10:44-48, 19:2-6, 22:16)

In order to be empowered to overcome sin requires the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Jesus stated this truth in Luke 24:49: "And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high."

Notice Jesus said the heavenly Father would give the Holy Spirit to those who asked Him for it:
"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" Luke 11:13

You need to study what MailmanDan said to understand what being baptized in the name of Jesus means........

Concerning water baptism, Jesus is the Authority because He commanded we be water baptized.

However, He EXPLICITLY stated

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

The fact that you and possibly millions of others can not understand what Jesus said does not make it void. It simply shows that the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit has yet to reveal the Truth to all of you who do NOT do as Jesus Commanded.

You guys all pay "lip service" to being obedient to Jesus, yet, each time some subject such as this arises, you reveal that you are anything BUT obedient to Him.


Now, I think this Threads real intention is to try and justify the stance that water baptism is REQUIRED for salvation.............sorry.....
THAT IS FALSE TEACHING!

The grace of God is seen in His willingness to provide a way for undeserving man to be brought back into right standing with Him. Water baptism in Jesus' name is one component in God's plan of salvation.

If you believe the scriptures say something different then what I have presented please address that. Your attempt at steering the discussion in an entirely different direction speaks volumes.

I'm concerned about your motive. You still have not answered my first question, and, since you didn't, then I have to wonder if your motive is far different than what you are implying. So, let us return to the 1st question:

Those that are baptized "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" are they STILL baptized? Are they saved?

By your logic none of the apostles were obedient to Jesus. Rather than accept an individual's opinion of what scripture means, one's confidence should be placed in what the Word states and those principles that apply. Keep in mind that Luke mentions that the events he recorded in Luke, and Acts came from actual eyewitnesses of the events.

According to the word the only acceptable way to be water baptized is in the singular name of Jesus' name. This truth is scattered throughout the NT.

Consider the Apostle Paul's comments to the Corinthians (1 Cor 1:13) that connect the usage of the singular name of Jesus to water baptism:

Is Christ divided?
Who was crucified for you?
Were you baptized in my name?

Those who submit to water baptism in the titles are unwittingly following a man-made tradition begun by forerunners of the Roman Catholic Church hundreds of years after the apostolic era.

I noted Jesus' words that clarify when water baptism would begin to be administered in His name. (Luke 24:47)

Jesus said that after His crucifixion and resurrection, repentance and remission of sins would be preached in His name and would begin in Jerusalem. This occurred on the Day of Pentecost in Jerusalem when the command was given for EVERYONE to be baptized in His name.

We know Jesus' words refer to water baptism because John the Baptist introduced the concept of water baptism for repentance and remission of sin as seen in the scriptures below:

Luke 3:3
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

Mark 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Acts 13:24
When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.

Acts 19:4
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

Water baptism is one component of God's salvation plan.

Keep in mind God's Word states spiritual truths can be seen in His natural creations; and water does put out fire.

How many times will deny the truth about water baptism? Of course I'm going to steer the conversation away from darkness into the Light.
No it is not a component of Gods plan of salvation. Jesus Christ is the component of Gods plan of salvation. Jesus was planned to be slain before the foundation of the world. Before Christ there was nothing and after Christ there is nothing more.

God has done all that is required for man to be saved having his sins forgiven. It is evident that you need to go back and review your conversion with Christ. It seems like you have been holding out on trusting Him to save you from sin and really from yourself righteousness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The closest shadow-picture I can find for reference appears to be the following:

In the temple and tabernacle, there was a bronze laver (a bronze see for the temple) dedicated to the priests for ceremonial washing with water. It was set between the sin altar and the doorway of the temple's inner chambers.

One couldn't enter into the courtyard of the temple until one made a sacrifice for their sin. But after the sacrifice was made at the altar, the priests were *required* to wash in the laver (or sea) before entering into the inner chambers and/or performing any duty, else they'd die.


Exodus 30:17-21 (NIV)
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Make a bronze basin, with its bronze stand, for washing.

Place it between the Tent of Meeting and the altar, and put water in it. Aaron and his sons are to wash their hands and feet with water from it.

Whenever they enter the Tent of Meeting, they shall wash with water so that they will not die.

Also, when they approach the altar to minister by presenting an offering made to the LORD by fire, they shall wash their hands and feet so that they will not die. This is to be a lasting ordinance for Aaron and his descendants for the generations to come."


Assumably, the congregation remained in the courtyard and prayed why the priests performed their duties inside. I'm reminded of the scene in Luke 1 where the congregation was "outside" praying while waiting for Zechariah to exit after offering incense on the altar inside...then when he came out he was unable to speak and so they knew it was a sign.

The laver for the tabernacle was relatively small, but the bronze sea was massive by comparison and could fit a full person inside. So after sacrificing for sin, priests had to wash before serving as representatives of the Almighty. But for the ordinary congregation, a sin sacrifice was enough to enter into the territory. This reminds me of the following passage...


Revelation 11:1-2 (partial; brackets mine)
Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar [of incense], and them that worship therein.

2 But the courtyard which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles:

None of these verses mention water baptism let alone by full immersion. John said that he baptizes with water but there is one coming after him who will baptize with the Holy Spirit and fire. Notice, Jesus will baptize with the Holy Spirit and fire, not water.

this is dangerous false teaching................and you STILL did not answer my question.........but, I didn't expect you to.



No sense conversing with such as you

“When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)” John 4:1–2 (KJV 1900)

As I have said many times on this site, without the shed blood of Jesus and His resurrection nothing else would matter! Mankind would still be under the curse of the law.

God established the method in which all humanity is required to enter into the New Covenant. It is through the redemptive name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Peter presented the terms of the New Testament (Covenant) that all were required to obey. (Acts 2:38) We know this due to the early believers actions. Upon obedience to Peter's instructions for everyone to repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus, that very day, 3,000 were added unto the church.

"Then they that gladly received his word WERE BAPTIZED: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine..." Acts 2:41-42

Throughout my own journey there have been times when the Holy Spirit has guided me into truth were my understanding of a particular scripture was in error. This happened in connection with my own water baptism. I was initially baptized in the titles. Some years later I was shown the actual scripture in Matthew 28:19 where Jesus stated to baptize in the name of... The light bulb of revelation came on. I took a step of faith and obeyed the instructions given by Peter and confirmed by the God-inspired records of actual water baptisms. Since that time God has revealed scripture after scripture that point to the truth of the need to take on the redemptive name of Jesus in water baptism.

Scripture says that salvation comes only from Jesus and that it is His name, and only His name whereby all must be saved, Acts 4:12. Knowing this please take the time to read and sincerely evaluate the content presented. If you disagree. You disagree. Fine. However, refusing to at least study it out is not wise. All are told to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. (Philippians 2:9-12)

The verses indeed refer to water baptism. Because as you actually stated yourself John stated his baptism is done in water. The verses make it clear that water baptism was to be done for repentance and remission of sin. Jesus was coming and He would baptize with the Holy Spirit.

Jesus actually specifically references that repentance and remission of sins would be preached in His name beginning in Jerusalem. This clearly points to what occurred on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 2:38) The ordinance of water baptism originally introduced by John the Baptist was modified. The modification included the use of the redemptive name of the Lord Jesus. Being filled with the Holy Ghost was a separate event. See (Acts 2:1-3, 8: 12-17. 10:44-48, 19: 2-6, 22:16

Luke 3:3
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

Mark 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Acts 13:24
When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.

Acts 19:4
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

John 1:26
John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: ...

I did answer your question in post #27:

According to the word the only acceptable way to be water baptized is in the singular name of Jesus' name. This truth is scattered throughout the NT.

Consider the Apostle Paul's comments to the Corinthians (1 Cor 1:13) that connect the usage of the singular name of Jesus to water baptism:

Is Christ divided?
Who was crucified for you?
Were you baptized in my name?

Those who submit to water baptism in the titles are unwittingly following a man-made tradition begun by forerunners of the Roman Catholic Church hundreds of years after the apostolic era.

ADDITIONAL NOTE: Salvation requires all components as outlined by Peter on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 2:38-42) Water baptism in Jesus name alone will not save a person.

This scripture pertains to those complying with water baptism as introduced by John the Baptist. What I am referring to is water baptism into the name of the Lord Jesus that was introduced on the Day of Pentecost.

John the Baptist's water baptism is seen as an introduction to something that would later be modified in order to achieve a spiritual reality by the design of God. The spiritual rebirth relies upon and can only be accessed after the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.

You have a wrong understanding of Acts 2. The baptism present is not water but it is Holy Spirit baptism. It is more easily understood in the original Greek but it is in context not water baptism. You can find water baptism in Acts 8:36-40

The passage in Mat 28 is also not water baptism. It would be far more accurate to see Mat 28 as an immersion in the knowledge of the doctrines surrounding Christ. Truly making disciples among the nations by teaching discipleship from the word of God.

You back up and claim to believe in the blood of Christ and His resurrection yet you fail to trust that Christ is sufficient to save and keep you unto the day of redemption. There is a reason why God saves by grace and not baptisms or other rites and rituals. Christ is completely sufficient to save. The changed heart desires to be obedient but that obedience is sanctification not salvation.

Your refusal to believe does not render the truth ineffective.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

It is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus that is the Gospel, not the death, and resurrection, so water baptism is part of the Gospel of Christ.

And we have to identify with the man Christ Jesus who died on the cross, and we repent of our sins, was buried, and we are water baptized, and rose from the grave, and we receive the Spirit.

We have to go through the same thing as the man Christ Jesus, and we are a living sacrifice unto God.

Water baptism was given by John the Baptist for the remission of sins before the Gospel came in to affect, and Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness.

Water baptism is necessary for it is part of the Gospel of Christ.

And some people say that it is a work, and we are saved by faith, but everything we do and think is a work, which repentance, and confessing Christ is a work, and the Bible says it is the work of faith.

The Bible says love is greater than faith, and faith works by love, so it is not faith alone, it is love alone, and everything stems from love, so no love, no faith.

The Jews asked Peter what they must do to be saved, and he said, repent, be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, for the promise is unto you, and to your children, and everybody in the future, and it is the same salvation plan for Jews and Gentiles.

Which Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans were all baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

And those that were baptized unto John's baptism had to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

The Bible says be baptized, and wash away your sins calling on the name of the Lord, for water baptism is for the remission of sins like the man Christ Jesus laid down the sins of the world in burial.

Jesus said He came in His Father's name.

The Son inherited the name from the Father.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Matthew says baptize in the name, singular, and Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, are not names but titles, and Jesus is the name.

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

This states that water baptism does now save us, not cleansing the body, but a good conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

When we are baptized into Jesus we are baptized in to His death, for if we have been planted in the likeness of His death, we shall also rise in the likeness of His resurrection.

And then our old man is crucified with Him.

Baptism is necessary and part of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

And we have to identify with the man Christ Jesus for we are a human like Him, and we are a living sacrifice.

And baptism is for the removal of sins, washing them away.

Some people say what about the thief on the cross, but Jesus had not died yet when He spoke to him saying you will be with me today in paradise, so the Gospel did not go in to affect yet, and Jesus already forgave him.

John the Baptist was not saved while he was on earth, which is why Jesus said that the person that is least in heaven is greater than John the Baptist.

And the thief had no way to be water baptized for he was hanging on a cross.

And Peter preached the first message of salvation, and then people were water baptized in Jesus' name which the thief would of been dead by then.

If a person believes water baptism is necessary for salvation, and went to get it done but died before that they should still be saved, or if they did not have sufficient information which caused them to not come to the truth with no fault of their own they should be saved, although it might not be until after the millennial reign of Christ when the dead are judged.

But the Bible plainly states it is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, and water baptism is for washing away of sins, and we have to identify with the man Christ Jesus.

If a person is water baptized, but believes it is not necessary, are they saved, and usually people that do not believe it is necessary are baptized in the titles Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, but baptism is in Jesus' name.

For there is no other name whereby we are saved, but the name Jesus.

And everything we do in word or in deed we do all in the name of Jesus.

So why would we use titles when Jesus is the name that saves us.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jesus said born of the water and Spirit to be able to enter the kingdom of God.

Water.
hudōr hudatos
hoo'-dor, hoo'-dat-os, etc.
From the base of G5205; water (as if rainy) literally or figuratively: - water.

Some people want to say faith alone, but Paul said charity is greater than faith.

Paul said without charity you are nothing, and have erred from the faith.

James said without charity your faith is dead.

John said without charity the love of God does not dwell in them, so do not love in word, or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.

It is love alone, and everything stems from love, which faith works by love, and it is the work of faith.

1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father.

2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power.

Faith is a work.