Why "The Bible" doesn't fulfil 1 Corinthians 13:10

Blik said:
God the Father becomes that crazy guy who said not to mix fabrics and gave strange orders to people.


Intended or not, your words here are an abomination against The Great I Am! Sad to see such here on CC

While I understand the concept of your post, and, to a degree, agree..........in that all believers should FIRST look to the guidance of the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit when seeking to understand Scripture, there is nothing wrong with people who, with all humility, and with the GUIDANCE of the Holy Spirit, try to explain in simpler terms (simpler than the King James English) the meanings of Scripture.

Sadly, not all believers have the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, so these "Books" may well assist them in learning how to receive His indwelling presence, and give them a hunger to do so.

Pastors Preach........called by God to do so............and, the vast majority of Pastors I know write down their Sermons. A collection of such Sermons are often put into Book form. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

The ONLY Books I have a grave disdain for are those who promote NEW AGE or some such Gospel that is a "DIFFERENT GOSPEL" that what the Apostles preached/taught.

I have relied upon the Bible and feel no need to write a book. I would not desire for my words to take time away from God’s words from anyone.

And I disagree with you; the answer is to compare scripture with scripture; not waste time on a man’s book who needed the word of God like everyone else. In my estimation a true man of God would refer people to the Bible and prayer for answers.

The Holy Spirit will reveal things out of the scripture; not a man’s book.

1 Corinthians 2:12 KJV
[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

But if you’re constantly seeking to man for understanding...

1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

And Paul said this...

2 Timothy 2:7 KJV
[7] Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

If you worship voices in your head it's idol worship or worse.

I thought scripture stated they were and are administered by the Holy Spirit? Why would you battle the Holy Spirit? If scripture says that tongues end why resist God and endeavor to continue them?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Fallacy: equivocation. The Holy Spirit would not have given Paul a message about the administration of tongues and prophecy in the Church if He intended to do all the administration Himself.

Any other silly questions?

It doesn't. It says they will end; a crucial difference.

Paul is explaining how God is administering not making space for men to administrate.

Silly meaning ones you cannot answer?

Certainly does and history demonstrates it clearly.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Really. So where it says, "Do not forbid speaking in tongues", that's God telling humans how He is going to administer the gifts.

You're caught in the trap of your own words.

Asinine comments will get you nowhere.

Neither will fallacious assertions.

Just go into any thread that attempts to explain eschatology or prophecy. There are as many interpretations as there are people interpreting.

Is each person adding to these things?

Is it possible that someone given the gift of prophecy is one that is shown the correct interpretation of prophecy that is already written down?

And because it is written down everyone else THINKS they understand, but really don't?

So the gift of prophecy is needed, its just that everyone thinks their own personal interpretation of prophecy is the correct one. Too much pride and not enough listening.


Same with trying to eplain that 'hearing' the gospel from someone reading from a book is the way saving faith is generated.

Don't you think that actually hearing God speak, the actual Word of God, would generate more faith than just hearing someone read from a book?

Hardly it is still the Holy Spirit Who moved those folks to speak not the administration of men. These things were to be done decently and in order.
You insist in demeaning yourself.
You have yet shown anything to support another baseless claim.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Therefore the Holy Spirit was giving instructions to the Church on how to administer the operation of the gifts. Really, your position is just silly. Find some other battle to fight.

The church as in believers and not pretenders. There were many pretenders in the apostolic church that caused the strife we see in the church at Corinth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You're changing the subject to avoid admitting that you're wrong.

A couple of things: re. Revelation 22: 18, 19. The "book" that is referred too is the book of Revelation. (The canon of scripture had not been compiled yet). Regarding 1 Corinthians 13: 8-12, the scripture is talking about the GIFTS of tongues and knowledge, which will not be necessary after the end comes, and the Kingdom of Heaven is in operation, ( when that which IS PERFECT is come). But they are necessary now, here on Earth, but only in part, verse 12. But when we are "face to face" or in the presence of God, then that which is in part NOW, will be done away, and FULL knowledge bestowed then. Verse 11 speaks of our present knowledge as being child like, but when in heaven, after the end, we will be as adults, in that all truth will be realized in it's fullness.

Perfect , [ teleioi (Thayer's Greek #5046)], or 'complete,'

Strong's #5049 Perfect: teleios "having reached its end" (telos), "finished, complete, perfect

Mounce's Definition perfect: mature, finished

Vines dictionary PERFECT: It is used thus of God in Matthew 5:48; (II) of "things, complete, perfect,

KJV Dictionary PER'FECT, a. L. perfectus, perficio, to complete; per and facio, to do or make through, to carry to the end.
1. Finished; complete;

The OP doesn't mention 1 Cor 13:10 specifically. However, many replies in this thread do. So, my reply is to 1 Cor 13. 13 verses 7 times LOVE is directly mentioned & implied in at least 2 other verses.

So, I read 1 Cor 13:10 to say: When we learn to LOVE (God & one another) our mission well be perfect/complete. My Opinion Only.

Thank you for posting this.

I think you are correct that "JESUS" is the "that which is perfect" which is to come mentioned in 1 Corinthians 13:10.

We (humanity) got to see him go, and we (humanity) are to see him come again, and we are are to continue in faith until that day.

This next paragraph includes some personal thoughts on the matter, not intended as persuasive argument:
I thought I was taught that "the second coming of Christ is 'that which is perfect' " by man but in honesty I can't remember where I'd heard it first. I do remember the first time some pastor or person said "it's the bible" and I thought, "No it isn't. It's when Christ (who is perfect) returns". But my dad taught us the value of reading the bible by making us read two chapters each morning as a family , and it's possible (because I'd read the New testament on my own) that God just put that understanding in me when I got to that passage in 1 Cor. 13:10. It would be interesting to find out how often "Christ's return" is taught as being the "that which is perfect" that we are awaiting.

Thanks again for your post.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

It is man that needs to be perfect, mature, finished, complete, perfect...which will only be fulfilled once we reach the fullness of the stature of Jesus Christ.


Thank-you Jesus

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

And Jesus contains all truth....Both the truths which are in the bible, and all truth which could not be contained in the bible. The bible contains a limited amount of truth. Jesus contains an unlimited amount of truth.

There is salvation without a bible, but there is no salvation without Jesus.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Having the ability to edify himself ("He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself - 1 Cor. 14:4) is NOT a problem, it's a solution.

Not knowing when to refrain from using it may have been a problem, but 1 Corinthians 14 is one chapter written to teach people HOW to use the solution properly.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

I was referring to the bible, which was not a thing until a group met 300-ish years after Revelation was written...and (at the commandment of a king, not God) selected certain writings and included them into a volume called "The Bible" (a book of books)

For 300+ years the church had operated without such a volume. They relied on God and had the Holy Ghost to lead them, (as well as having access to those and other writings).

Love in Jesus,
Kelby