The Reason You are Told that God No Longer Speaks.

It still comes down to which interpretation we hold to. Every denomination claims that they hold to the clear teaching of Scripture, but the sad reality is they all have different views which are very different.
I believe God saves people from all denominations, He doesn't hold them to account if they have been deceived by false doctrine. So I would never say that one is saved by possessing the correct interpretation.

Everyone's understanding and interpretation continues to evolve as the learn more. Even Bible scholars discover a new meaning to a verse they may have thought that they understood perfectly for many years.
We could easily spend our whole lives studying the Bible and there would still be so much to learn. So I don't believe that salvation has anything to do with a correct interpretation of scripture.

I believe salvation is all of the Lord, from start to finish and we can't add anything to His work.

Jude 3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Psychos? LOL! While the fact does remain that there is abuse within certain denominations I would suggest that believing God no longer is personal is equally disturbing. For that matter, somebody show me ANY denomination that does not have problems. Or better yet, let's call it what it really is. Sin

Psychos? LOL! While the fact does remain that there is abuse within certain denominations I would suggest that believing God no longer is personal is equally disturbing. For that matter, somebody show me ANY denomination that does not have problems. Or better yet, let's call it what it really is. Sin

Was the day of Pentecost demonic cause they all spoke languages they hadn’t learned and the outcome was called the HS by all? Your conclusion doesn’t match the Bible.

No, but they were heavenly language, not human. Demons speak human languages because that's where they roam.

So it's OK to sin because all denominations do it?

Certainly, you place truth above feelings? What if Jesus held your views?

We may enter His Presence through the blood of Jesus Christ and He is our Mediator. But many claim they hear from God, yet when their words that they claim are from God contradict Scripture then we reject it.

Isaiah 8:20 NKJV
[20] To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

when God spoke to the Apostles and Prophets, He did in such a way that it was not filtered through the remaining flesh/old nature. There is no indication today that when a person ‘hears’ from God, it is as Good as Scripture. Rather, we are to test all things by Scripture (even if some consider Scripture an idol).

Acts 17:11 NKJV
[11] These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

Fine example of a false dichotomy there Dave and apparently you liked it so much you repeated yourself.

So it's OK to sin because all denominations do it?

No, but they were heavenly language, not human. Demons speak human languages because that's where they roam.

Was the day of Pentecost demonic cause they all spoke languages they hadn’t learned and the outcome was called the HS by all? Your conclusion doesn’t match the Bible.

God most definitely speaks through His word since the Holy Spirit is our Teacher and testifies of the TRUTH of the word but the simple fact there, is that people appear to have different applications for that truth. I would suggest we do not have any idols of course, but the testimony of man seems to be the idol for many these days.

I did a search for "enter his presence" and could not find a single reference inthe New Testament. All were the old testament. That is a modern concept that appeals very much to the pride. IT used to be we went to God in prayer. Now we "enter his presence." The old humility is replaced by prideful self-assurance of us being special. I believe God's presence comes when God chooses, not when we decide we want some.

Here is what I had in mind...

Ephesians 2:18 (KJV) For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Hebrews 10:19-22 (KJV) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Thanks crossnote for taking the time to answer this with scripture.

None of that promises that we can enter his presence at will. It says we have access to him. it says we can draw near. Like I said, we used to say to the Lord, "we come before you Lord" not requiring Him to grant us his presence which is not the same thing. We come. Not He comes at our demand or approach.

It is not of great consequence except we are setting up believers to expect God shows up at their calling. Instead of the scripure that says,

"When you said to me "seek my face" my heart said to thee, O Lord, your face will I seek" we teach,
"when I said to you, O Lord, I am coming into your presence now, your heart said to me, "I come as expected."

I am only sorry because I have known the real presence of the Lord where He came and I was neither expecting it nor did I boldly come. He decided to grant me audience as a Sovereign and I was marked by the interview and changed forever. It was most remarkable and none of it was from me. This is what I would wish for my brethren and am firmly convinced that if his children think they can more or less expect Him to show up at their desire, He will not do so out of love for them. IF they are satisfied imaging they are before the throne, then that is all they will get is my view.

Dave you need to stop talking about things you have no conception of. You already are in hot water with the mod and on the verge of being banned not because of your views but your manner of posting. And I warned you this would happen if you didi not change how you act and again before it is to late I urge you to learn to debate as an actual believer not as a accuser.

You know the fruits of the spirit are love peace joy and patience yes? but what are the fruits of the devil? acusation name calling being incredibly rude and everything you have done and said in this forum has done no one any good not you and not anyone conversing with you.

If I was a mod I would have banned you already not because of your beliefs but in the manner in which you act towards others and everyone here has been pateint with you they have tried over and over to have a actual conversation with you they have given you wise council and insight yet you retaliate and avoid questions ignore scriptures and only boast of your own knowledge without having any wisdom to take the insight of others.

You have shown such arrogance and malice towards everyone here and I will not sit back and let you do this I will go to robo op myself if I have to I would rather not have to do that and have you instead learn and actually debate but you do not want to cross the line with me when it comes to the treatment of everyone here.

I have many precious friends here and many here have helped me to grow and mature as a believer and even the ones who I disagree with are family to me so if you do not stop acting like a foolish child then make no mistake I will not hesitate to take action

Who's to say that He doesn't.

I'm not talking about my own feelings but the feelings of others. I believe that is called being considerate. I don't believe that there is anything spiritually wrong with being considerate.

The thing is Dave, I am trying very hard to have a conversation with you but you refuse to participate by neglecting to answer any questions, resorting instead of giving scripture that has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed.

Everyone that disagrees with you, in your opinion, hates Jesus and probably needs to go to hell. I find your attitude and forum decorum to be toxic and it is pointless to try further to have a decent conversation with you. The truth is, responding to your posts is a waste of my precious time.

I have come to the conclusion that your really don't know scripture very well at all and have no desire to actually learn what certain scripture means. No need to reply because I will not be responding to you further.

Fine example of a false dichotomy there Dave and apparently you liked it so much you repeated yourself.

Thanks crossnote for taking the time to answer this with scripture.

None of that promises that we can enter his presence at will. It says we have access to him. it says we can draw near. Like I said, we used to say to the Lord, "we come before you Lord" not requiring Him to grant us his presence which is not the same thing. We come. Not He comes at our demand or approach.

It is not of great consequence except we are setting up believers to expect God shows up at their calling. Instead of the scripure that says,

"When you said to me "seek my face" my heart said to thee, O Lord, your face will I seek" we teach,
"when I said to you, O Lord, I am coming into your presence now, your heart said to me, "I come as expected."

I am only sorry because I have known the real presence of the Lord where He came and I was neither expecting it nor did I boldly come. He decided to grant me audience as a Sovereign and I was marked by the interview and changed forever. It was most remarkable and none of it was from me. This is what I would wish for my brethren and am firmly convinced that if his children think they can more or less expect Him to show up at their desire, He will not do so out of love for them. IF they are satisfied imaging they are before the throne, then that is all they will get is my view.

Just holding people accountable for their words. Nothing more.