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dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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Laish said:
No insult . You don’t seem to have a grasp of the doctrine.
You are pointing out the results of election not of irresistible grace better put effectual calling .
Blessings
Bill
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Not hardly migo.....I am accurately pointing out that MANY reject the irrevocable call....and do not pronounce blessing on me after erroneously telling me I don't understand!!!
 
Laish

Laish

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dcontroversal said:
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by what exactly?

the WORD OF GOD.....and this changes nothing in all of the above conversations...

Salvation is open to all
and
Grace is irresistible!
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Your right grace is irresistible .
Now about open to all is it open to one who hasn’t heard ?
Blessings
Bill
 
Magenta

Magenta

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stonesoffire said:
I agree with your post Decon, but I don’t know what the Calvinistic view would be. ??
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The view others put forward is that when/where "all" or "the world" is said, it only applies to those who believe.

Therefore, for instance, John 3:16 does not mean the whole world, but only believers.

 
stonesoffire

stonesoffire

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dcontroversal said:
Bill......Calvinism says GOD LOVES man A and he gets to enter the proverbial pearly gates and man B is sol and God chooses him to burn in hell....

The Bible says God loves ALL MEN, DIED FOR ALL MEN and would have ALL MEN be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.....and God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked!
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and I see you already did. Thanks.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Laish said:
Ok how does the light bulb 💡 turn on . Was it something in the man that led this to happen .
Was the preacher just that good?
it couldn’t be God right ?
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It was not because god took a person dead in sin and made him alive before he was justified

For some people
Pride is so deep the lightbulb will
Never come on
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Laish said:
Your right grace is irresistible .
Now about open to all is it open to one who hasn’t heard ?
Blessings
Bill
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Yes. It is open the Holy Spirit convicts that person of sin righteousness and judgment. If that person has any hope god will send the word. Missionaries has witnessed this for years.
 
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