This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

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Victoria over here in Aus has had to go back into total lockdown again. I think they said six weeks. :(
They're lying. They would have said forever if they weren't liars. This is medical martial law. The end of freedom. Unless you take their vaccine, of course. Then you can't reproduce, and will probably die in short order, and who knows what else...

Of course, they don't say they're just Commies taking over the country, 'cause people would revolt. They do it gradually. For the greater good, like all those people they're starving to death in the towers.
 

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You are being had people! Wake up!

Amid Percentage Of Deaths Having Declined, CDC Admits Coronavirus On Verge Of Non-Epidemic Status
By Hank Berrien. July 7, 2020

On Friday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that the percentage of deaths in the United States has dipped low enough so that the nation is at the epidemic threshold, which means if the percentage drops any lower, the CDC will no longer call the coronavirus an epidemic.

The CDC wrote that the percentage of deaths had declined for 10 weeks in a row, noting: “Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 9.0% during week 25 to 5.9% during week 26, representing the tenth week of a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC.
The percentage is currently at the epidemic threshold but will likely change as more death certificates are processed, particularly for recent weeks.”

Full link

https://www.dailywire.com/news/amid...s-coronavirus-on-verge-of-non-epidemic-status
 

gb9

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You are being had people! Wake up!

Amid Percentage Of Deaths Having Declined, CDC Admits Coronavirus On Verge Of Non-Epidemic Status
By Hank Berrien. July 7, 2020

On Friday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that the percentage of deaths in the United States has dipped low enough so that the nation is at the epidemic threshold, which means if the percentage drops any lower, the CDC will no longer call the coronavirus an epidemic.

The CDC wrote that the percentage of deaths had declined for 10 weeks in a row, noting: “Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 9.0% during week 25 to 5.9% during week 26, representing the tenth week of a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC.
The percentage is currently at the epidemic threshold but will likely change as more death certificates are processed, particularly for recent weeks.”

Full link

https://www.dailywire.com/news/amid...s-coronavirus-on-verge-of-non-epidemic-status
^ watch for the death rate to go back up now that trump is pointing out the low death rate.

as of now, 9643 cases today, with 146 deaths .

that is their numbers, and that is about a 1.6% death rate.

so, you have so many lefties calling for lockdowns for a 98.4 % survival rate.........
 
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They should do away with the red x deal.
Far too many are trolling with it.
Drive by sniping posters/members
 

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I'm going to stop looking both ways before I cross the street. Because freedom and stuff
 
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They should do away with the red x deal.
Far too many are trolling with it.
Drive by sniping posters/members

I agree. Seen it too often. Had a guy in another post start an x war just to prove a point I guess. I use the x when I see something is totally against the Bible, or that the poster is using it as a weapon.
 
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They should do away with the red x deal.
Far too many are trolling with it.
Drive by sniping posters/members
Maybe you are right. I know I’m not an innocent member myself either, but from a total of 79 red x reactions I have received, 25 is from the same member😂. I suppose he really doesn’t like what I’m saying😁.
 

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^ watch for the death rate to go back up now that trump is pointing out the low death rate.

as of now, 9643 cases today, with 146 deaths .

that is their numbers, and that is about a 1.6% death rate.

so, you have so many lefties calling for lockdowns for a 98.4 % survival rate.........

and, just like clockwork, 800 + new deaths reported today.


this is like watching a movie while at the same time reading the script. so predictable.
 

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You are being had people! Wake up!

Amid Percentage Of Deaths Having Declined, CDC Admits Coronavirus On Verge Of Non-Epidemic Status
By Hank Berrien. July 7, 2020

On Friday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that the percentage of deaths in the United States has dipped low enough so that the nation is at the epidemic threshold, which means if the percentage drops any lower, the CDC will no longer call the coronavirus an epidemic.

The CDC wrote that the percentage of deaths had declined for 10 weeks in a row, noting: “Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 9.0% during week 25 to 5.9% during week 26, representing the tenth week of a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC.
The percentage is currently at the epidemic threshold but will likely change as more death certificates are processed, particularly for recent weeks.”

Full link

https://www.dailywire.com/news/amid...s-coronavirus-on-verge-of-non-epidemic-status
Hey bro, take some time and listen to this:

http://www.ironsharpensironradio.co...ng-news-from-a-pharmacist-on-the-coronavirus/
 
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They should do away with the red x deal.
Far too many are trolling with it.
Drive by sniping posters/members
I resisted the temptation to mark this post wrong, but really, it is very wrong. The red x is the best thing since the teacher's red pen. There's nothing I like better than going through a left-leaning post and marking it incorrect. But this is not trolling. It really saves unwanted posts pointing out the obvious, when it's obvious to all that a post is wrong, but the poster is too much a "leftist" or a "woker" to realise it (or too much a shill or a troll to admit it).

I guess, the only thing better than a red x would be the ability to mark sections of a post wrong. I admit that even I get disappointed when a leftist is doing well, but then only makes one really big mistake. I almost feel bad marking such posts wrong, but somebody's gotta do it. Think back to high-school, when you got good marks for your working, even if the answer was wrong. That's what I'd like to do to leftists who show some promise. :)
 
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I resisted the temptation to mark this post wrong, but really, it is very wrong. The red x is the best thing since the teacher's red pen. There's nothing I like better than going through a left-leaning post and marking it incorrect. But this is not trolling. It really saves unwanted posts pointing out the obvious, when it's obvious to all that a post is wrong, but the poster is too much a "leftist" or a "woker" to realise it (or too much a shill or a troll to admit it).

I guess, the only thing better than a red x would be the ability to mark sections of a post wrong. I admit that even I get disappointed when a leftist is doing well, but then only makes one really big mistake. I almost feel bad marking such posts wrong, but somebody's gotta do it. Think back to high-school, when you got good marks for your working, even if the answer was wrong. That's what I'd like to do to leftists who show some promise. :)
Nothing wrong with the red x.

It is the use of it that has become trolling.
 
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Nothing wrong with the red x.

It is the use of it that has become trolling.
It only means disagree. It's not trolling. Some folks just don't like to be wrong. Let's see how many folks are wrong most often, by who leaves x's to this post! :) :) :)
 

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There is talk now of the resurgence of a more dangerous mutation of Covid 19. The prior Coronavirus is said to have mutated and impacts the DNA of the infected. Yes, I think this is being used as a weapon. All that is what flu virus does to an infected person.
There's plenty of information out there too that says the mask mandates across the country are ridiculous and unnecessary. The only people needing masks are those who are sick or asymptomatic. If Corona is as bad as they say, who would be out and about when they're sick with it?
Meanwhile, mandating everyone wear masks is leading to shortages for those who actually need them.

Lots of crooked things happening behind this pandemic. In California the Dept. of Health has said churches can gather in limited number but they can't sing hymns. There's more behind that than capping religious liberty by mandating people wearing masks can't sing to God from behind them. Don't you think?
 

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There is talk now of the resurgence of a more dangerous mutation of Covid 19. The prior Coronavirus is said to have mutated and impacts the DNA of the infected. Yes, I think this is being used as a weapon. All that is what flu virus does to an infected person.
There's plenty of information out there too that says the mask mandates across the country are ridiculous and unnecessary. The only people needing masks are those who are sick or asymptomatic. If Corona is as bad as they say, who would be out and about when they're sick with it?
Meanwhile, mandating everyone wear masks is leading to shortages for those who actually need them.

Lots of crooked things happening behind this pandemic. In California the Dept. of Health has said churches can gather in limited number but they can't sing hymns. There's more behind that than capping religious liberty by mandating people wearing masks can't sing to God from behind them. Don't you think?
Right now - more than anything else - it is about controlling people ("just because we can - haha") and seeing how much 'crap' people are willing to put up with ("How easy is it to get them to do what we want them to do?")...
 

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The red x is the best thing since the teacher's red pen.
Note: None of this post is in support for/against the subject matter, by the by, just with regard to the "disagree" reaction. I know it frustrates me personally when someone won't tell me why as I feel as though that is less productive. Up to whomever is reading of course, but I figured I'd throw out a neutral perspective.


If someone doesn't respond to quoting then that's on them. I suppose it's helpful in at least showing a solid dissenting opinion but I find it helpful to give feedback on specifically why...particularly if I'm on the receiving end.

Simply because there are people that can indeed learn from when they are in error (even on the internet) I don't find that statement that "Everyone's mind is made up on the internet" to be accurate. It's not true from my own perspective. I'm still growing in my own views and occasionally the Lord does a complete "rework" in certain areas.

Now if someone is entirely unwilling to accept feedback then a reaction may help another reader or guest to give pause for deeper thought on where they stand if they are looking for consensus/agreement or disagreement

I get that when someone is perceived as having totally contrary views that it would be exhausting to respond, but I rarely find that to be the case...there is usually some common ground somewhere, especially when we presumably should all have the same focus, though of course indirect foci are different for each person (leastways rarely are people completely aligned across the spectrum).
 
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Note: None of this post is in support for/against the subject matter, by the by, just with regard to the "disagree" reaction. I know it frustrates me personally when someone won't tell me why as I feel as though that is less productive. Up to whomever is reading of course, but I figured I'd throw out a neutral perspective.


If someone doesn't respond to quoting then that's on them. I suppose it's helpful in at least showing a solid dissenting opinion but I find it helpful to give feedback on specifically why...particularly if I'm on the receiving end.

Simply because there are people that can indeed learn from when they are in error (even on the internet) I don't find that statement that "Everyone's mind is made up on the internet" to be accurate. It's not true from my own perspective. I'm still growing in my own views and occasionally the Lord does a complete "rework" in certain areas.

Now if someone is entirely unwilling to accept feedback then a reaction may help another reader or guest to give pause for deeper thought on where they stand if they are looking for consensus/agreement or disagreement

I get that when someone is perceived as having totally contrary views that it would be exhausting to respond, but I rarely find that to be the case...there is usually some common ground somewhere, especially when we presumably should all have the same focus, though of course indirect foci are different for each person (leastways rarely are people completely aligned across the spectrum).
Here are some thoughts I have from the perspective of a person living in Canada about 100 miles east of this nation's largest city Toronto (it's basically our version of NYC if you will, though obviously not nearly as big, population ~3 million with 5+ million living in the greater metro area).

I'm often accused of being a contrarian simply for the sake of being a contrarian....which I don't believe to be true, becuase swimming against the stream is exhausting with 99% of people trying to convince me that my views are wrong.

One of those views is that I'm opposed to making the wearing of masks mandatory, I have no issue if someone wears one voluntarily of course.

In my area we have 0 current identified cases...zero, none, nada, zilch. My county has had 21 confrimed cases in total since the start, and all have been resolved with no deaths. We have been fortunate. Here's the data from our local health authority, it includes surrounding regions which are also at 0 current cases, there have been 32 deaths in Kawartha Lakes, a popular area with seniors who've retired.

https://www.hkpr.on.ca/covid-19-2/

Health officials have expressed the view that cloth masks could help reduce viral spread if used properly, and therein lies the problem. Masks have not been mandatory here from the start, that changes come Monday when they'll be required in indoor public places like grocery stores. No more than 25% of people have been wearing them here, and the minority of those who are wearing them, I often seeing them being used improperly. The biggest offense is touching the outside of the mask and not performing proper hand hygeine immediately afterwards.

Just this past week a woman wearing a mask and glasses was in front of me looking at a loaf of bread, she couldn't read the expiry tag and so lowered her mask touching the outside of it.....then after reading the tag she returned the loaf to the shelf. That damp warm cloth material right over the mouth and nose is an ideal breeding ground for SARS-Cov-2 as well as other germs and bacteria. This isn't isolated, I see people constantly touching the outside of their masks, to adjust them or to pull them down while talking or for a breath of fresher air. Then they're touching product and putting it back, touching shelves, scales, produce bag dispensers, the keypads on payment systems....touch touch touch.

Up til now there has only been a small number of people doing this, and given that they're voluntarily wearing masks (even if they're doing it imporperly) I'm assuming these people are all being somewhat diligent in other areas like limiting their contacts with people, washing their hands and mainting social distance.

But starting Monday EVERYONE has to start wearing them (exceptions for people with lung conditions like asthma and copd and some others). And I'm afraid that we're going to start seeing outbreaks. Plus I think a lot of vulernable people have been avoiding places like grocery stores because, seeing so many people without masks, they've assumed they're not safe.....but now with almost everyone in masks, some will likely think: "Finally, I don't have to order my groceries on line, I can go into the store because they've all got mask on now".

And here is the big problem I see......if all of a sudden a week or so after masks become mandatory, if we start seeing outbreaks will authorities be smart and say: "hmmmmm, maybe we should go back to masks being voluntary again". If that happens I'd breathe a huge sigh of relief.....but if it were to result in them requiring masks to be worn not just indoors, but outdoors in public all the time....if something like that happens I will be even more inclined to agree with the subject line of this topic....that this virus is being used as a weapon to take away our liberties.....having everyone in masks dehumanizes us and makes us all look like little worker bees.

Peace.
 

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Here are some thoughts I have from the perspective of a person living in Canada about 100 miles east of this nation's largest city Toronto (it's basically our version of NYC if you will, though obviously not nearly as big, population ~3 million with 5+ million living in the greater metro area).

I'm often accused of being a contrarian simply for the sake of being a contrarian....which I don't believe to be true, becuase swimming against the stream is exhausting with 99% of people trying to convince me that my views are wrong.

One of those views is that I'm opposed to making the wearing of masks mandatory, I have no issue if someone wears one voluntarily of course.

In my area we have 0 current identified cases...zero, none, nada, zilch. My county has had 21 confrimed cases in total since the start, and all have been resolved with no deaths. We have been fortunate. Here's the data from our local health authority, it includes surrounding regions which are also at 0 current cases, there have been 32 deaths in Kawartha Lakes, a popular area with seniors who've retired.

https://www.hkpr.on.ca/covid-19-2/

Health officials have expressed the view that cloth masks could help reduce viral spread if used properly, and therein lies the problem. Masks have not been mandatory here from the start, that changes come Monday when they'll be required in indoor public places like grocery stores. No more than 25% of people have been wearing them here, and the minority of those who are wearing them, I often seeing them being used improperly. The biggest offense is touching the outside of the mask and not performing proper hand hygeine immediately afterwards.

Just this past week a woman wearing a mask and glasses was in front of me looking at a loaf of bread, she couldn't read the expiry tag and so lowered her mask touching the outside of it.....then after reading the tag she returned the loaf to the shelf. That damp warm cloth material right over the mouth and nose is an ideal breeding ground for SARS-Cov-2 as well as other germs and bacteria. This isn't isolated, I see people constantly touching the outside of their masks, to adjust them or to pull them down while talking or for a breath of fresher air. Then they're touching product and putting it back, touching shelves, scales, produce bag dispensers, the keypads on payment systems....touch touch touch.

Up til now there has only been a small number of people doing this, and given that they're voluntarily wearing masks (even if they're doing it imporperly) I'm assuming these people are all being somewhat diligent in other areas like limiting their contacts with people, washing their hands and mainting social distance.

But starting Monday EVERYONE has to start wearing them (exceptions for people with lung conditions like asthma and copd and some others). And I'm afraid that we're going to start seeing outbreaks. Plus I think a lot of vulernable people have been avoiding places like grocery stores because, seeing so many people without masks, they've assumed they're not safe.....but now with almost everyone in masks, some will likely think: "Finally, I don't have to order my groceries on line, I can go into the store because they've all got mask on now".

And here is the big problem I see......if all of a sudden a week or so after masks become mandatory, if we start seeing outbreaks will authorities be smart and say: "hmmmmm, maybe we should go back to masks being voluntary again". If that happens I'd breathe a huge sigh of relief.....but if it were to result in them requiring masks to be worn not just indoors, but outdoors in public all the time....if something like that happens I will be even more inclined to agree with the subject line of this topic....that this virus is being used as a weapon to take away our liberties.....having everyone in masks dehumanizes us and makes us all look like little worker bees.

Peace.

You'll be glad in the long run. I live just outside Houston area but have eight family members being treated at present. I should explain the being treated part. The hospitals are beginning to turn away patients,the beds are full,the ICU is full,the ER is full and the waiting rooms are being used to treat patients, and their are people in the parking lots waiting to get into the waiting room. They are setting up refrigerator trailers to put the bodies in.


Gov. Abbot said today that he would have to shut the state back down if people don't wear mask,he made mask mandatory last week. I don't claim to be a genius but it doesn't make any sense to wait until the hospitals are completely overrun before you say "okay now I'll do something". Anyway it's better to say wear mask before people catch this than after they do. It's better to close the state when you don't have cases rather than wait until you loose track of how many you have. This is what happens when money is loved more than peoples lives.
 
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You'll be glad in the long run. I live just outside Houston area but have eight family members being treated at present. I should explain the being treated part. The hospitals are beginning to turn away patients,the beds are full,the ICU is full,the ER is full and the waiting rooms are being used to treat patients, and their are people in the parking lots waiting to get into the waiting room. They are setting up refrigerator trailers to put the bodies in.


Gov. Abbot said today that he would have to shut the state back down if people don't wear mask,he made mask mandatory last week. I don't claim to be a genius but it doesn't make any sense to wait until the hospitals are completely overrun before you say "okay now I'll do something". Anyway it's better to say wear mask before people catch this than after they do. It's better to close the state when you don't have cases rather than wait until you loose track of how many you have. This is what happens when money is loved more than peoples lives.
I've been seeing the situation in Texas, Florida and Arizona....I hope things get better for you all soon, I don't want you to have the disasters that occured in places like New Jersey (I used to live there) and NY.....thankfully you have a long way to go for things to be that bad. and hopefully it doesn't get any worse and starts improving fast.
 
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^ watch for the death rate to go back up now that trump is pointing out the low death rate.

as of now, 9643 cases today, with 146 deaths .

that is their numbers, and that is about a 1.6% death rate.

so, you have so many lefties calling for lockdowns for a 98.4 % survival rate.........
these cases they quote are actually the common cold , flu and covid19 . The source is here, from our very own federal government drug administration agency. The truth isn't hard to find, and yet these evil people keep lying. https://www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-tes...spUIeL-OX2Aum0gVCACCydV548WpnYvdjulWoYXy0rvm8 "The reliability of COVID-19 tests is uncertain due to the limited evidence base. Available evidence mainly comes from symptomatic patients, and their clinical role in detecting asymptomatic carriers is unclear" "Human coronaviruses circulate frequently every year and cause a common cold type illness. Cross reaction with antibodies formed by current and past exposure to seasonal human coronavirus infections can cause false-positive results. Serology tests can also fail to detect COVID-19 if testing is performed in the acute phase of the infection prior to the development of detectable antibodies." In other words, the tests pick up the common cold , flu and remnants of previous illness. almost useless, and yet the media keep quoting positivities as case! **edited**
 
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