Not By Works

Why not?

I believe I am very confused about choice....because of my own upbringing....where I never knew what choice was until adulthood.

Bible Verses about being CHOSEN.

John6:4
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;and I will raise him up on the last day.

Ephesians 1:4

Just as he chose us in Him before the foundation of the world,that we would be Holy and blameless before Him in Love.
He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself,according to the kind intention of his will.



AMEN!

We are justified in Christ for eternity, the gift of salvation is irrevocable...... this is exactly what scripture teaches us, so best to

understand those verses within that context otherwise not one of us has any hope of salvation.

I am really trying to understand your thoughts on this: I think maybe what you are saying is that God did not give them a choice of whether they wanted to eat the fruit or not. That is true he did not give them that choice. He made a command and an ultimatum in that, he said do not eat it or you will die. That was the choice that he gave them... do what I say or pay the consequences. They chose to disobey.

Same as if your mother made hot dogs for supper and said eat your supper or you will get in trouble. She didn't give you the choice of eating something else, but still gave you a choice in whether you would obey and follow the rules, or not obey and get in trouble.


Then again, I could be wrong on your reasoning here, but this is just something to think about.

I am really trying to understand your thoughts on this: I think maybe what you are saying is that God did not give them a choice of whether they wanted to eat the fruit or not. That is true he did not give them that choice. He made a command and an ultimatum in that, he said do not eat it or you will die. That was the choice that he gave them... do what I say or pay the consequences. They chose to disobey.

Same as if your mother made hot dogs for supper and said eat your supper or you will get in trouble. She didn't give you the choice of eating something else, but still gave you a choice in whether you would obey and follow the rules, or not obey and get in trouble.

Then again, I could be wrong on your reasoning here, but this is just something to think about.

Umm, doing a personal study of the word has its benefits and there are many ways to do that. My personal bible study starts with prayer as I ask the Holy Spirit to lead and enlighten. One of the most important principles of studying the word of God is always to interpret according to the context of the verse. This means considers the preceding and immediately following the verse, word or topic to make sure that you are setting on that which God’s intended meaning. Example:

John 6:44 King James Version (KJV)

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So what is the preceding verse? If you are going back on v41, the Jews murmured. Why? Because as the same verse says, Jesus is the bread which came down from heaven that gives life everlasting. Tracing further back will lead to the narrative reasons of their murmurings. Part of that text of v.41 will lead us even further to vv.22-40 for the whole background of the story. It says coming and drawing of the people because not only of seeing the miracles of Jesus but also did eat of the loaves or the physical bread and were filled. (v.26). The context is also about not to labor (a.ka. ‘not of works which we have done’) but that which everlasting life is given to us by Christ (v.27) of similarity that the gift is eternal life though Christ (Romans 6:23).

To continue, after Jesus heard them asserted that eternal life is the work of God, it’s nothing about their works (as in ‘not of yourselves, it is the gift of God’) and belief on Christ is all the necessary thing (v.29). The issue therefore is everlasting life through Jesus Christ and how to own/possess it, but as far as the Jew is concerned, they seek sign (Greek seeks knowledge) in order to believe as even citing the O.T. of the giving of the manna (instance of miracle) yet Jesus told them that the giving of himself by the Father as the true bread had came down from heaven who has the power to give life unto the world (v.33).This do not limit the works of God to only a few. The gift of everlasting life that Christ gives is to all yet only those who comes or believes are the ones that shall never hunger or thirst. Apparently, the following verses of our text says of Christ making an invitation of eating this bread (figuratively)which Christ is offering to include all people (v. 51, 54) to have eternal life and will be raised up of the last day (either by rapture or the resurrection). The words “if any man” and “whoso” is very telling of the offering.

So that the background as far as the text is concerned, speaks nothing to do of God choosing for some to salvation. The Bible, rather talks about the coming and drawing of the people unto him. Even the word ‘draw’ has nothing to do with choosing beforehand. It has something the Father coming through, via the teaching and hearing the word of God (v. 45). So only after being taught, heard or learned the words of God may come or believe Christ for eternal life (47).

God bless

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Bill.Once Saved Always Saved is not biblical..the words aren’t in the bible.
Osas....doesn’t sound good to me.....it’s sounds like you can do what ever you please...you can’t..just my opinion........you shall know them by their fruit.......

Eternal life ,yes....it’s biblical.....

Sorry I disagree.there is also a lot more of scripture of how God chooses his people.

God chose me and drew me to him...that is my belief...no question of doubt.

Did God say to Adam and Eve you have a choice?

I recall God asking them not to eat from the tree of knowledge?

I don’t see any scripture that says you have a choice...can you show me that scripture,x

How is osas any different than eternal
Life

Eternal life means our salvation is secure forever. If osas makes us think we can sin all we want believing we have eternal life would do the same
there really is no difference
People turn the grace of god to licentiousness. It does not mean grace is a bad thing. More does it mean they are saved. We do not do as many do and reject grace alone because few people may use it as a get out of hell free card and try to add works. Or claim eternal life or osas or eternal security or whatever we call it is not true

We are justified in Christ for eternity, the gift of salvation is irrevocable...... this is exactly what scripture teaches us, so best to

understand those verses within that context otherwise not one of us has any hope of salvation.

There was an alternative choice though, which was to believe and obey God over the lying serpent.

They also had the choice of eating of the Tree of Life instead, which they did not do.

For me it sounds like they can do what ever they please.....Hence why I don’t like the terminology...the words aren’t biblical either...
Eternal life is.

For me it sounds like they can do what ever they please.....Hence why I don’t like the terminology...the words aren’t biblical either...
Eternal life is.

Genesis 2:16-17
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall sur

well we will have to agree to disagree

but be warned

if you say OSAS is not biblical. People WILL believe you believe salvation can be lost. There is no getting out of that.

OSAS in its pure form means this

A person who has come to Christ, after being drawm by him a,d led tp him by grace through faith. Is saved (not by any works of righteousness which they did, but by Gods mercy) and as a child of God. they will ALWAYS be saved.

to say osas is wrong is to say this is wrong. Because when we say we believe in OSAS, this is what we are claiming