Catholicism vs Protestantism

Acts 22:10 I said, 'What shall I do, Lord?' The Lord said to me, 'Arise, and go into Damascus. There you will be told about all things which are appointed for you to do.'

does the book of Acts say that Paul is instructed to be baptized?
or just that he is baptized?
since there are several accounts of Paul's conversion, I'm not sure.

to me, the situation is similar to that of the Philippian jailer
Acts 16:24 who, having received such a command, threw them into the inner prison, and secured their feet in the stocks. 25 But about midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened, and everyone's bonds were loosened. 27 The jailer, being roused out of sleep and seeing the prison doors open, drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped. 28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, "Don't harm yourself, for we are all here!" 29 He called for lights and sprang in, and, fell down trembling before Paul and Silas, 30 and brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"

very interesting situation here, imo.
the question is almost identical to what Peter is asked at Pentecost,
but Paul responds with a somewhat different answer
Acts 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household." 32 They spoke the word of the Lord to him, and to all who were in his house. 33 He took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes, and was immediately baptized, he and all his household.
34 He brought them up into his house, and set food before them, and rejoiced greatly, with all his household, having believed in God.


we may wish to compare this with the passage above
"They spoke the word of the Lord to him, and to all who were in his house."

Paul and Silas spoke the entire Bible to them?

regarding salvation,
do you believe God uses the same absolute standard for everyone,
including those who do not have a Bible in their language?

I disagree.
can you think of ways in which the situation is different for the disciples in Ephesus in Acts 19 compared to the apostles in the upper room?


of course, Paul gives somewhat different instructions to the Philippian jailer.

if you believe there is a specific algorithm that must be followed for salvation, doesn't it seem strange that the Bible describes salvation in so many different ways?

1 Timothy 2:14 Adam wasn't deceived, but the woman, being deceived, has fallen into disobedience; 15 but she will be saved through her childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and sanctification with sobriety.


is it a promise, or a commandment?


do those passages state that the people involved were baptized in order to obtain salvation?


that's correct.

and I mean this next part very gently:
without the longer ending of Mark, you lack the "slam dunk" that you would really like the Bible to have.


that is true, if one strongly desires to see it there.

as I talked about earlier, wherever the location of a baptism is known, it is outdoors.

using the same approach, then, baptisms must be done outdoors.


well, in the longer ending of Mark Jesus talks about speaking with "new tongues".
I'm not sure, but I think in all the other Scriptures it says "other tongues".

The scripture you quote is from the NLT bible. The NLT is a paraphrase not a literal translation such was the KJV. Therefore, the verses meaning is distorted.

Notice what the actual scripture states and how it differs from the paraphrase in the NLT:

"And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Luke 24:47

After a thorough study of all scriptures relating to water baptism, it's connection to repentance and remission of sins is clearly seen. However, only after Jesus' death, burial and resurrection was anyone instructed to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Jesus' statement above is evidence of this truth.

They spoke the word of the Lord in reference to their question, "What must I do to be saved?"

The records mention of water baptism indicates it was part of the answer.

Jesus stated that Ananias would tell Paul everything he must do. His baptism is recorded in Acts 22:16.

Note in both cases above an individual provided a verbal answer.

Only by gathering all verses pertaining to a given subject; ie, water baptism, etc., from each book of the bible can one see what the Spirit has revealed concerning it.

@Dan_473

My Comment: However, at times I have been drawn to the scripture in 1 Thessalonians that would seem to indicate that man's spirit, soul and body must be dwelt with separately. And wondered whether obedience to repentance, water baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost caused spiritual realities in connection with the separate parts of man. Any thoughts?:



Your Response: thanks for asking!



I think Paul is simply giving a blessing, and in most languages it sounds nice if you use the

"rule of three".



like this

1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.



three phrases,

the first one has a string of three adjectives...

maybe the three adjectives refer to the three persons of the Godhead,

or maybe it just gives it a musical sound.



My point was in reference to 1 or more of man's make-up; spirit, soul and body, being guilty while the other's are not.



"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Thess 5:23

Or, the word of the Lord that they spoke was basic instructions on the Christian Life, since they would be leaving soon.

I believe what I was wanting to get across was that phrases like
the word of God
and
the word of the Lord
are not synonymous with the entire Bible.


or, the cultural mindset was such that a ceremonial washing made sense to them.


yes, ananias told him things,
and after that one of the things he did was be baptized.

the passage also says that Paul ate.
does it necessarily follow that ananias told him to do that?
does it follow that everyone is to eat after baptism?


if you are referring to Peter at Pentecost and Paul to the jailer,
then yes, they did both give a verbal answer.
however, the answers are not the same.

I think it makes sense, though..
different people and situations.

just like Jesus saying to buy a sword.

I believe there are different understandings of which scriptures concern water baptism

for example
John 13:3 Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he came forth from God, and was going to God, 4 arose from supper, and laid aside his outer garments. He took a towel, and wrapped a towel around his waist. 5 Then he poured water into the basin, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel that was wrapped around him.

and
Psalm 18:14 He sent out his arrows, and scattered them; Yes, great lightning bolts, and routed them. 15 Then the channels of waters appeared. The foundations of the world were laid bare at your rebuke, Lord, at the blast of the breath of your nostrils.

As stated the experiences noted contain spiritual rebirth components initially presented by Peter at Pentecost. Those instructions parallel Jesus' statement that a man must be born of water and Spirit.

It is all a matter of faith. And faith coming by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

When uncertain the word has the answer for those seeking the truth:

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." Matt 7:7-8

May God Bless.

(Again, I say all this gently.)
I know that you feel that you have a good system for making all the verses fit together.

but can you see what you are doing?
you start with two passages, and assume that they are to be taken word for word.
anything that doesn't quite fit is bent just a bit so that it fits.

suppose instead that you started with Matthew 28, and took that word for word.

or possibly this
Mark 1:8 I baptized you in water, but he will baptize you in the Holy Spirit."

I haven't researched this, but I think that may be the only saying that is in all four Gospels and the book of Acts (twice).

well, my wonderful brother Jackson, it's hard for me to make sense out of many of your sentences there,
so it's hard for me to follow your logic.

big picture,
there is no passage in the scriptures that say it is wrong to ask Christians in heaven to pray with you, imo.

I disagree with your statement that I bend scripture. I have shared far more than 2 passages that speak to the components required for one's spiritual rebirth.

John's statement in no way expresses that water baptism would cease to be required when the Holy Spirit was imparted. Just as he introduced the baptism of repentance for the remission of sin, he was introducing the concept of a future baptism of the Holy Spirit.

I believe you are missing the fact that the Jews, Samaritans, Gentiles, and individuals such as the Ephesus disciples all complied with all three of the initial instructions, given by Peter, to repent, be water baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2, 8, 10, 19) If the rebirth experience did not require all of the components it would be reflected in at least one of those records. It is not.

Jesus said unless a man is born of water and Spirit he cannot ENTER the kingdom. Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom. And it was Peter who provided the keys in his instructions for individuals to be water baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Keep in mind that no one will even have a chance to ENTER heaven unless their sins have been washed away through the spiritual rebirth.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...cis-says-he-would-baptise-aliens-9360632.html

I believe this is the different between catholic and Protestant

Catholic is demonic, believe or consider to believe alien

well, since I'm not aware that the Bible states that aliens don't exist, or how the gospel would apply to them if they do,
myself, I wouldn't say that the pope can't be a Christian just based on that newspaper article.

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if you are interested in returning to an earlier subject,
I believe I asked you about this earlier on thread and I don't remember you responding.

do you agree with this?
22 Then Paul stood before the meeting of the Areopagus and said, “People of Athens, I can see you are very religious in all things. 23 As I was going through your city, I saw the objects you worship. I found an altar that had these words written on it: to a god who is not known. You worship a god that you don’t know, and this is the God I am telling you about!
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+17&version=NCV

So you believe there is allien and you believe allien is not Satan

About your question I already respon.

no, I didn't say either of those things.

I don't think the Bible talks about aliens from outer space.

maybe they exist, maybe they don't.

maybe the whole idea is something of satanic origin, maybe not.


I can't find your response.
if you would like to help me find it, that would be great!

do you want to continue on the subject of the Athenians and the unknown God,
or do you want to be done with it?

Allien is Satan.

To believe allien not Satan you have to add or make your own bible. Bible never say God create allien.

God create human, angel and fallen angel, so who is allien?

Not human, not angel, so it is fallen angel, and Pope work for this fallen angel to lie.

About Athenians god, I don't believe they worship Jesus prior to Paul arrival