This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

I've been seeing the situation in Texas, Florida and Arizona....I hope things get better for you all soon, I don't want you to have the disasters that occured in places like New Jersey (I used to live there) and NY.....thankfully you have a long way to go for things to be that bad. and hopefully it doesn't get any worse and starts improving fast.

these cases they quote are actually the common cold , flu and covid19 . The source is here, from our very own federal government drug administration agency. The truth isn't hard to find, and yet these evil people keep lying. https://www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-tes...spUIeL-OX2Aum0gVCACCydV548WpnYvdjulWoYXy0rvm8 "The reliability of COVID-19 tests is uncertain due to the limited evidence base. Available evidence mainly comes from symptomatic patients, and their clinical role in detecting asymptomatic carriers is unclear" "Human coronaviruses circulate frequently every year and cause a common cold type illness. Cross reaction with antibodies formed by current and past exposure to seasonal human coronavirus infections can cause false-positive results. Serology tests can also fail to detect COVID-19 if testing is performed in the acute phase of the infection prior to the development of detectable antibodies." In other words, the tests pick up the common cold , flu and remnants of previous illness. almost useless, and yet the media keep quoting positivities as case! **edited**

There is talk now of the resurgence of a more dangerous mutation of Covid 19. The prior Coronavirus is said to have mutated and impacts the DNA of the infected. Yes, I think this is being used as a weapon. All that is what flu virus does to an infected person.
There's plenty of information out there too that says the mask mandates across the country are ridiculous and unnecessary. The only people needing masks are those who are sick or asymptomatic. If Corona is as bad as they say, who would be out and about when they're sick with it?
Meanwhile, mandating everyone wear masks is leading to shortages for those who actually need them.

Lots of crooked things happening behind this pandemic. In California the Dept. of Health has said churches can gather in limited number but they can't sing hymns. There's more behind that than capping religious liberty by mandating people wearing masks can't sing to God from behind them. Don't you think?

Don't take this offensive but when this comes to your town and actually happens to your family(I hope it don't) your going to wish you could go back and edit some of this. I understand that if you live where this is not yet out of control you might have doubts about it but in reality a lot of what is taking place in Houston isn't on the news yet.

You don't want to catch this. You don't want this in you town. It really is killing people right now. My children are standing in those lines watching people try to get in the ER with heart attacks,car wrecks ect. who never make it. You are correct about things not being covered by the media there trying to keep you all from panicking and not going to work and paying taxes and are not covering the horror movie Houston is living right now.

Note: None of this post is in support for/against the subject matter, by the by, just with regard to the "disagree" reaction. I know it frustrates me personally when someone won't tell me why as I feel as though that is less productive. Up to whomever is reading of course, but I figured I'd throw out a neutral perspective.


If someone doesn't respond to quoting then that's on them. I suppose it's helpful in at least showing a solid dissenting opinion but I find it helpful to give feedback on specifically why...particularly if I'm on the receiving end.

Simply because there are people that can indeed learn from when they are in error (even on the internet) I don't find that statement that "Everyone's mind is made up on the internet" to be accurate. It's not true from my own perspective. I'm still growing in my own views and occasionally the Lord does a complete "rework" in certain areas.

Now if someone is entirely unwilling to accept feedback then a reaction may help another reader or guest to give pause for deeper thought on where they stand if they are looking for consensus/agreement or disagreement

I get that when someone is perceived as having totally contrary views that it would be exhausting to respond, but I rarely find that to be the case...there is usually some common ground somewhere, especially when we presumably should all have the same focus, though of course indirect foci are different for each person (leastways rarely are people completely aligned across the spectrum).

these cases they quote are actually the common cold , flu and covid19 . The source is here, from our very own federal government drug administration agency. The truth isn't hard to find, and yet these evil people keep lying. https://www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-tes...spUIeL-OX2Aum0gVCACCydV548WpnYvdjulWoYXy0rvm8 "The reliability of COVID-19 tests is uncertain due to the limited evidence base. Available evidence mainly comes from symptomatic patients, and their clinical role in detecting asymptomatic carriers is unclear" "Human coronaviruses circulate frequently every year and cause a common cold type illness. Cross reaction with antibodies formed by current and past exposure to seasonal human coronavirus infections can cause false-positive results. Serology tests can also fail to detect COVID-19 if testing is performed in the acute phase of the infection prior to the development of detectable antibodies." In other words, the tests pick up the common cold , flu and remnants of previous illness. almost useless, and yet the media keep quoting positivities as case! **edited**

There is several that caught it in my town.

It was like the flu. They got sick then got well again.

A woman I know that had some underlying conditions was scared stiff of getting it.

She had a illness 4 years ago that required a ventilator. She was horrified she would get that nightmare again.

She got covid.
She was sick 4 or 5 days.
Never went to the doctor except to get tested.
She recovered just fine.

My brother in law and several of his kids got it.
They caught him mowing the yard on the 3rd day and told him he should be in bed.
He is fine now
A couple in Florida had it.
The wife got sick for 4 or 5 days....the man got a slight case and after a day was fine. Both are old and fine.

Yesterday a 91 yrs old woman died. I talked to her son. They said it was covid. NOBODY else in the house tested positive. They constantly pampered and kissed her.
My friend told him "she Most likely was a false positive..they LABEL MOST DEATHS COVID to get the money"

In three months, this thing went from China to literally infecting the entire planet. It's not a hoax

Doesn't it seem a bit strange that - "in the name of saving lives" - so many non-COVID cases are/get ignored even to the point of death?

In three months, this thing went from China to literally infecting the entire planet. It's not a hoax

^ watch for the death rate to go back up now that trump is pointing out the low death rate.

as of now, 9643 cases today, with 146 deaths .

that is their numbers, and that is about a 1.6% death rate.

so, you have so many lefties calling for lockdowns for a 98.4 % survival rate.........

In three months, this thing went from China to literally infecting the entire planet. It's not a hoax

I don't think most people are saying that SARS-Cov-2 is a hoax, anymore than the seasonal flu or other pathogens are a hoax.....influenza is real and can claim over 600K lives worldwide some years, and we could absolutely could have been bringing in Pandemic lockdown measures in an effort to control the spread and limit the death toll every year....closing schools and businesses, cancelling all non critical medical care in hospitals, having everyone shelter in place during every flu season.....but we don't.

Bottom line is that there are a lot of of people who think our response has been disproportionate to the threat.....grossly disproportionate, and I agree with them.

Here's something shocking to read about this. The common cold nor the flu does this. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/01/coronavirus-autopsies-findings/

Here are some thoughts I have from the perspective of a person living in Canada about 100 miles east of this nation's largest city Toronto (it's basically our version of NYC if you will, though obviously not nearly as big, population ~3 million with 5+ million living in the greater metro area).

I'm often accused of being a contrarian simply for the sake of being a contrarian....which I don't believe to be true, becuase swimming against the stream is exhausting with 99% of people trying to convince me that my views are wrong.

One of those views is that I'm opposed to making the wearing of masks mandatory, I have no issue if someone wears one voluntarily of course.

In my area we have 0 current identified cases...zero, none, nada, zilch. My county has had 21 confrimed cases in total since the start, and all have been resolved with no deaths. We have been fortunate. Here's the data from our local health authority, it includes surrounding regions which are also at 0 current cases, there have been 32 deaths in Kawartha Lakes, a popular area with seniors who've retired.

https://www.hkpr.on.ca/covid-19-2/

Health officials have expressed the view that cloth masks could help reduce viral spread if used properly, and therein lies the problem. Masks have not been mandatory here from the start, that changes come Monday when they'll be required in indoor public places like grocery stores. No more than 25% of people have been wearing them here, and the minority of those who are wearing them, I often seeing them being used improperly. The biggest offense is touching the outside of the mask and not performing proper hand hygeine immediately afterwards.

Just this past week a woman wearing a mask and glasses was in front of me looking at a loaf of bread, she couldn't read the expiry tag and so lowered her mask touching the outside of it.....then after reading the tag she returned the loaf to the shelf. That damp warm cloth material right over the mouth and nose is an ideal breeding ground for SARS-Cov-2 as well as other germs and bacteria. This isn't isolated, I see people constantly touching the outside of their masks, to adjust them or to pull them down while talking or for a breath of fresher air. Then they're touching product and putting it back, touching shelves, scales, produce bag dispensers, the keypads on payment systems....touch touch touch.

Up til now there has only been a small number of people doing this, and given that they're voluntarily wearing masks (even if they're doing it imporperly) I'm assuming these people are all being somewhat diligent in other areas like limiting their contacts with people, washing their hands and mainting social distance.

But starting Monday EVERYONE has to start wearing them (exceptions for people with lung conditions like asthma and copd and some others). And I'm afraid that we're going to start seeing outbreaks. Plus I think a lot of vulernable people have been avoiding places like grocery stores because, seeing so many people without masks, they've assumed they're not safe.....but now with almost everyone in masks, some will likely think: "Finally, I don't have to order my groceries on line, I can go into the store because they've all got mask on now".

And here is the big problem I see......if all of a sudden a week or so after masks become mandatory, if we start seeing outbreaks will authorities be smart and say: "hmmmmm, maybe we should go back to masks being voluntary again". If that happens I'd breathe a huge sigh of relief.....but if it were to result in them requiring masks to be worn not just indoors, but outdoors in public all the time....if something like that happens I will be even more inclined to agree with the subject line of this topic....that this virus is being used as a weapon to take away our liberties.....having everyone in masks dehumanizes us and makes us all look like little worker bees.

Peace.