Useful false teachings

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The lies people believe and speak are useful.

In trying to silence a thing you end up pushing it back into the fellowship where it can grow like wildfire.

Best to consider false teachings that someone brings opportunities to tear down spiritual strongholds publicly.
We must consider that many people may be thinking the very same lie but will never speak it and be corrected.

Do you invite the one teaching falsehoods to the pulpit and let them teach all they have to say so you can tear it apart?
Perhaps if it is not only false but foolish, you could have a well trained child take it apart for you and you can just stand there and back them up in case they need a little help. More shame for wolf and his lies that way to be defeated by a child among the children of God.

Should we consider false teachings a useful opportunity to train up the little ones, to teach them to tear apart their prey. (lies)
Opportunity for all of us to keep our steel sharp.
Each Church seems to be full of rusty swords and one or two very well worn out ones.

I think Christians especially those in leadership should welcome people speaking what is false in the Church.
I would consider it a true equipping of the saints to deal with those things.
It might even be useful to have Church members who once believe something was of God and learned that it was not to argue on behalf of what they once believed to see how much of the Church says AMEN only to turn it around at the end and expose it.

I expect it would take faith in the holy spirit to bring what you think is right to victory in the eyes of the Church.
I also think it would open the door to the place of the prophets of today to bring the needed correction to the Church.
After all we are still far from perfect as a body and need both correction and challenge to cause us to grow and keep us strong and sharp.
Of course give it some good structure and let everybody know that it is something you will be doing from time to time.
Ask for volunteers to present teachings that they think the Church needs to consider. That alone may surprise you.

Granted after the babies head off to children's services and the new believers to new children of God discipleship would be best.

I know it was more like this during Jesus day, more like how the Jews used to teach before the Roman influence changed the Church.
Do we take a few steps toward our Christian roots?
It might be messier and upset the apple cart of a few until we get the hang of it.
But if it equips the saints better for what is about to come, is tat not the that the measure of success.
If getting to that success gets a bit little messy is it not will work it?
in my opinion such a path for Church leadership is about trusting in the Spirit of God above yourselves.

What to you think?
I wanted to add a poll but forgot.

If you could just give it a thumbs up or down I would appreciate it thanks
 

Blik

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Paul tried to correct the false teaching that by cutting foreskin you were circumcised. The book of Galatians addresses this. Now the church says that Paul taught that God took back all the guidance we are given that scripture calls Torah and we translated Torah as law!

I don't think there is an answer to what to do about false teachings, but I think we should keep trying.
 

tourist

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OK ill bite,
what is BDF?
Body-order Defense Formula, Big Daddy Forum, Born Doing the Futterwacken ...
BDF is the Bible Discussion Forum. This is the place where the rubber hits the road. It helps to have a thick skin as there are some that get chased away never to return.
 

tourist

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There may be lessons to be learned by embracing "useful' false teachings but perhaps the pain and suffering could be avoided altogether in the first place. The book of Ecclesiastes has a lot of 'useful' false teachings as the author (Solomon) was obviously depressed and under consider mental anguish, the end result of which was departing from the Lord. Some guys learn the hard way.
 
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There may be lessons to be learned by embracing "useful' false teachings but perhaps the pain and suffering could be avoided altogether in the first place. The book of Ecclesiastes has a lot of 'useful' false teachings as the author (Solomon) was obviously depressed and under consider mental anguish, the end result of which was departing from the Lord. Some guys learn the hard way.
We have a very different take on Ecclesiastes.
I consider the end result of it to be the beginning of the Song of Solomon ;)
 

Nehemiah6

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I think Christians especially those in leadership should welcome people speaking what is false in the Church.
That is a purely NONSENSICAL idea which has no basis in Scripture or in reality.
 

Magenta

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1 Corinthians 11:19
And indeed, there must be differences among you to show which of you are approved.

Hebrews 13:9
Do not be carried away by varied and strange teachings; for it is good for the heart to be strengthened
by grace, not by foods, through which those who were so occupied were not benefited.


Ephesians 4:14
As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;

1 Timothy 4:1
But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

Galatians 1:6-7
I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

1 Timothy 1:3-7
As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith. But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.read more.

Titus 1:10-11
For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain.

Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

2 Peter 3:17
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,

1 Timothy 4:7
But have nothing to do with worldly fables fit only for old women.
On the other hand, discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness;


2 Peter 2:3
and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

Galatians 1:8-9
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
 

SoulWeaver

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That's the most glass-half-full title, if I've ever seen one. :LOL:
 
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Hay,
hay is just hay to those who buy it, whether their horses eat it or not...
sometimes the hay is foul, because of mold, not cured in the right manner...
 

Nehemiah6

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Hay,
hay is just hay to those who buy it, whether their horses eat it or not...
sometimes the hay is foul, because of mold, not cured in the right manner...
AND FIT FOR BURNING.

This OP is suggesting that if you have a bowl of good apples mixed with a few rotten apples, serve the rotten ones and leave the good ones for another time.
 

Prycejosh1987

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I know it was more like this during Jesus day, more like how the Jews used to teach before the Roman influence changed the Church.
Do we take a few steps toward our Christian roots?
It might be messier and upset the apple cart of a few until we get the hang of it.
But if it equips the saints better for what is about to come, is tat not the that the measure of success.
If getting to that success gets a bit little messy is it not will work it?
in my opinion such a path for Church leadership is about trusting in the Spirit of God above yourselves.
I agree success has its downside, like having lots of jealous people, hating and envying your success. It also is a mountain to climb and a lot of failures along the way. Demons have no boundaries when it comes to people wanting to be successful. They will attack anyone and everyone.
 

p_rehbein

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I think Christians especially those in leadership should welcome people speaking what is false in the Church.
May I ask what Church Group/Denomination you fellowship with?

I suggest you study what the Apostle Paul wrote about those who preach "another Gospel........"

Welcoming the deceiver into our Worship Services is both a dangerous and foolish thing IMO only possibly.

I can't put my head around how you look at things..........

How old are you?
 

p_rehbein

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One other thought I want to express........... it seems to me, you spend a lot of time welcoming in "false" things, lies and such to worship than the Truth..........the presence of the Holy Spirit.........

WHY?

I can't find anywhere in Scripture that we are to spend our time studying false teachings, lies from the deceiver, and such RATHER than spend our time in praise and worship of God!

If you have such Scriptures, please share them..........

just saying