Justified by work vs faith

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Jackson123

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throughfaith said:
The greatest teaching in the bible is 1 cor 15.1-4
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So you accused Jesus Lie

Jesus say this is the greatest commandmend

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

This is first number one

1 cor 13

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy

1 cor 13

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Charity or love in action is the greatest
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
 
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Jackson123 said:
You never able to produce real love without Jesus

Low quality of love may but not love to the point willing to die for other.

Branch can not bear fruit of itself

But If Jesus in your heart, you Will bear fruit, not that you have ability to produce high quality of love, but Jesus in you produce It and manifest through you

If Jesus not in you, you not save

Yes you need Jesus for salvation

Jesus Will keep you doing love not murder

If we doing murder than It mean we trust in ourselve, Jesus teach love not murder

Murder mean you not let Jesus Being thi King in your heart

That is why Gal 5 say murder not go to heaven
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Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
Love is not to to let go of your child even if he messes up . Your forgetting when Jesus died for everyone..." WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS " . You cannot understand God's love because your thinking like conditional love , and like the pharisees. God told us to love even our enemies. You love only the lovable..Gods love is not like this . The world would not save a murderer .
 
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Jackson123 said:
So you accused Jesus Lie

Jesus say this is the greatest commandmend

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

This is first number one

1 cor 13

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy

1 cor 13

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Charity or love in action is the greatest
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
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You keep going to Old Testament not realising something major happened . Why do you ignore the cross as if it never happened and as if nothing changed . Your view of the cross and what Jesus did is so trivial to you?
 
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Jackson123 said:
So you accused Jesus Lie

Jesus say this is the greatest commandmend

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

This is first number one

1 cor 13

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy

1 cor 13

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Charity or love in action is the greatest
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
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The greatest and most important teaching is 1 cor 15 ,1-4 . Why ?
14And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
This is the greatest teaching in the bible . Without the Gospel there is no point to any other verse .Everyone who ever lived is lost and Jesus failed if this ,the most important event never happened . This is how we are saved ,not anything else false teachers add to their condemnation .
 
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Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
Love is not to to let go of your child even if he messes up . Your forgetting when Jesus died for everyone..." WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS " . You cannot understand God's love because your thinking like conditional love , and like the pharisees. God told us to love even our enemies. You love only the lovable..Gods love is not like this . The world would not save a murderer .
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You always forget that Galatians 5 was wrote after cross

Cross If symbol of love

And you say Jesus want you to love your enemy not kill

1 cor 13 was wrote after cross and say the greatest is love.

Not murder, you keep accused Gal 5 Lie, Jesus that say love is great command only for OT, NT No need love anymore murder go to heaven

That teaching is not biblical
 
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Jackson123 said:
You always forget that Galatians 5 was wrote after cross

Cross If symbol of love

And you say Jesus want you to love your enemy not kill

1 cor 13 was wrote after cross and say the greatest is love.

Not murder, you keep accused Gal 5 Lie, Jesus that say love is great command only for OT, NT No need love anymore murder go to heaven

That teaching is not biblical
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1 cor 13 is about tongues , prophecies , Knowledge , gifts ect . Your way off track here ?
 
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Jackson123 said:
You always forget that Galatians 5 was wrote after cross

Cross If symbol of love

And you say Jesus want you to love your enemy not kill

1 cor 13 was wrote after cross and say the greatest is love.

Not murder, you keep accused Gal 5 Lie, Jesus that say love is great command only for OT, NT No need love anymore murder go to heaven

That teaching is not biblical
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Jesus died for the people that were nailing him to the cross . Yes the ones that crucified him . Would you ?
Rom 5
6¶For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12¶Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law
 
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throughfaith said:
1 cor 13 is about tongues , prophecies , Knowledge , gifts ect . Your way off track here ?
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throughfaith said:
1 cor 13 is about tongues , prophecies , Knowledge , gifts ect . Your way off track here ?
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My brother please read verse 13

1 cor 13

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Charity is love in action

This is the topic of 1 cor 13

Let read verse 1

If I speak in the tongues [1] of men and of angels, but have not LOVE,I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

If you speak in tounge of man ............ not have LOVE

So the topic is to compare LOVe with other gift

Verse 13 is conclution of the topic

The greatest is Love in action

I don't know how you read. Did you read Honestly or have your own agenda and ignore the honest message?
 
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throughfaith said:
Jesus died for the people that were nailing him to the cross . Yes the ones that crucified him . Would you ?
Rom 5
6¶For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12¶Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law
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Yes Jesus die for ungodly but He make offer for all ungodly to believe, whosoever believe Will save

You think No body go to hell because Jesus die for ungodly?

Where in the bible say you don't need to repent or to believe every body save, No matter what you do

Keep murder etc

What verse say that?
 
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Philipian 2:12

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Let me repeat my question

Paul say salvation by faith not by work

Now the same person say always obeyed.....work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

How about John

1 John 4

8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

No love= don't know God

Can you save If you don't even know God?

Salvation by faith or by love?
 
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Jackson123 said:
My brother please read verse 13

1 cor 13

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Charity is love in action

This is the topic of 1 cor 13

Let read verse 1

If I speak in the tongues [1] of men and of angels, but have not LOVE,I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

If you speak in tounge of man ............ not have LOVE

So the topic is to compare LOVe with other gift

Verse 13 is conclution of the topic

The greatest is Love in action

I don't know how you read. Did you read Honestly or have your own agenda and ignore the honest message?
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Its saying that charity remains..in heaven .
 
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throughfaith said:
Its saying that charity remains..in heaven .
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Did you read verse 13

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the GREATEST of these is charity.

The greatest of These is charity

I qoute what is charity from
https://www.britannica.com/topic/charity-Christian-concept

Charity, in Christian thought, the highest form of love, signifying the reciprocal love between God and man

End quote

The greatest is love my brother.
 
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Honestly when I was young, I never think 1 john4:8

No love mean not know God, how you expect save If you not even know God

This verse is scary for a siner like me

I was think salvation was easy only need faith No need love.

Now I know why Jesus say Narrow is the path that lead to life

Matthew 7:14
“Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”


And few there be that Find

Niv

14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Only a few Find It

Matt 22

14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen.”

Few are chosen

As a siner I don't like These verse, but who am I

No body has authority to delete These verse

Jesus say Salvation is like Narrow path, not easy only few Find it
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Do not agree

Your trying to earn salvation. Good luck!
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So you not agree with Galatians 5;21

Galatians 5:21
“Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”

For you keep envying, murder, drunk go to heaven.

Than you have to make your own bible
 
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1 timothy 4
1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

In my church bible study, member like me are incourage to interupt rise hand and say something If they not agree with what the teacher say

I did say this verse when the teacher say Osas.

One of member response and say. That person (person that depart is never have faith)

Let analyze what he say

According to him The word faith in verse 1 is never have faith

Let put that to verse 1

4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the never have faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Depart from never have faith

Where he go

From never have to faith

That is reverse, not only wrong but oppose that verse

Must be from faith to non faith, not all the way around
 
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God told Noah, there Will a big flood

Noah believe It or Noah have faith in God

Noah say, salvation not by work and he don't want to build an ark

What do you think

Did Noah believe what God told him?

If so why don't he build an ask?

Some time believe in God need a work, sacrifice tes

I can imagine what people in town talk about Noah, he is crazy, build a giant ark in the middle of the desert?

He may need psycholog, need serious consultation.
 
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If Noah not build the ark, was It mean he have a faith in God?

If Abraham not walk 2000 mile was he a man of faith?
 
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Jackson123 said:
If Noah not build the ark, was It mean he have a faith in God?

If Abraham not walk 2000 mile was he a man of faith?
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Nope and nope. :) faith brings the works -- of Life -- and the works of life lead to the Kingdom.


no real Faith (belief) -- no works of Life -- no Kingdom bringing.


the more Life in Christ we work out through faith in our lives, the more the Kingdom Comes.
 
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Blue_Of_Lake said:
nope and nope. :) faith brings the works -- of life -- and the works of life lead to the Kingdom.


no real faith (belief) -- no works of life -- no Kingdom bringing.


the more life in Christ we work out through faith in our lives, the more the Kingdom comes.
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I agree, the more you have faith in Jesus, mean the more room in your heart you give to Jesus, master of love, the more you love other, because jesus love the world

And It mean the more you work to preach the gospel

Love > mean want other go to heaven > working heart top preach the gospel
 
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