Is Throwing the Bouquet Divination?

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presidente

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Is throwing the bouquet or garter at weddings to determine who will marry next divination?
 

Truth7t7

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Is throwing the bouquet or garter at weddings to determine who will marry next divination?
Goes back to England and France, I'm sure there's a pagan tie.

I think it's a good thing to see a man and woman get married in today's world.
 
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Last wedding I went too i was rooting for the 100 year old woman in the wheelchair.
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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Is throwing the bouquet or garter at weddings to determine who will marry next divination?
1 Timothy 4:7
Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.
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I think questions like the one you have raised are good to ponder. But it is also important to not become puffed up and condemn everything.

What is most important in the gospel is what you believe.
So much in this world is godless myths and old wive's tales, like blowing out candles on a birthday cake to make a wish, or to break the wishbone.

I don't think we need to be against these traditions, but that we are careful to not place belief in them.

To conclude: it can be fun to take part in or watch the throwing of the bouquet. There is nothing wrong with that. But to place belief in its superstition is the problem.
 

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From what I have read, in Medieval times, women were so desperate to get married that a woman who was being married was considered lucky. To touch or possess any part of her Gown/assembly was thought to bring good luck to the one who got it. As I understand it, a point was reached where the wedding dresses of Brides were being torn off of her. The tossing of the bouquet was considered part of her assemble, and in order to distract those who would tear her dress, the Bride would toss the bouquet to give her a chance to escape with dress intact. Over time, it simply became a custom of the Wedding ceremony.

You can search this and get the full history.

I do not think it was an act of divination though.
 

presidente

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From what I have read, in Medieval times, women were so desperate to get married that a woman who was being married was considered lucky. To touch or possess any part of her Gown/assembly was thought to bring good luck to the one who got it. As I understand it, a point was reached where the wedding dresses of Brides were being torn off of her. The tossing of the bouquet was considered part of her assemble, and in order to distract those who would tear her dress, the Bride would toss the bouquet to give her a chance to escape with dress intact. Over time, it simply became a custom of the Wedding ceremony.

You can search this and get the full history.

I do not think it was an act of divination though.
The way it is done now, or what I heard, that the one who catches the bouquet will be the next to marry.

When my male cousin was a teenager, he was standing around, probably not paying much attention, when his sister through the bouquet. It flew right at him and he caught it. Then, a heft women, probably in her late 20's or early 30's grabbed that thing out of his hand, hurting his fingers in the process. Maybe she really believed the superstition.

If people are throwing or catching it really believing it predicts the future, is that much different than reading the flight paths of birds or the filaments in animal livers to determine the future-- ancient methods of divination. Reading tea leaves is another method.

IF we don't believe in these things, should we go along with it? I hear in Bohemian Grove, a lot of wealthy people get together and reenact a sacrifice to a pagan deity. Many of them probably consider it a joke, but does worshipping Baal, or whatever, as a joke mean you aren't participating? I don't think treating things like this is a joke makes it okay, but even so, others there might not consider it a joke. Why should Christians participate in such things?
 

Lanolin

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er...never really thought about it.
I think its a superstition. Like wearing something old and. something new, something borrowed and something blue. (why then. are there NO blue wedding gowns?). the other is that the bride isnt allowed to be seen before the wedding day. And they had to wear a veil,

I havent been to many weddings lately and cant recall if anyone did it to the ones I had been to.
I know one aunt and uncle who got married put oranges or something under the bed. something to do with having children. women are supposed to sleep on the left side of the bed and men on the right.

in jewish ceremonies they step on a glass or break it. But I think they have the tradition of having the eldest marry first which is why Jacob had fo marry Leah before Rachel She didnt get a bouquet thrown at her. They had concubines back in the day too.

I feel sorry for the concubines. Its kind of rotten luck to be the second, third or fourth wife.
 
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Is throwing the bouquet or garter at weddings to determine who will marry next divination?
With us drawing straws it is divination. With God whose name is Jealous he owns all things it was no gamble to him with Matthias when his number came up And Judas to represent the spirit of judgment fell backwards slain in the spirit.

I would say as long as the tradition does not do despite to the grace of God . Go for it. As Christians in one way we have all caught the bouquet a shadow of the hope, the gospel .
 

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The way it is done now, or what I heard, that the one who catches the bouquet will be the next to marry.

When my male cousin was a teenager, he was standing around, probably not paying much attention, when his sister through the bouquet. It flew right at him and he caught it. Then, a heft women, probably in her late 20's or early 30's grabbed that thing out of his hand, hurting his fingers in the process. Maybe she really believed the superstition.

If people are throwing or catching it really believing it predicts the future, is that much different than reading the flight paths of birds or the filaments in animal livers to determine the future-- ancient methods of divination. Reading tea leaves is another method.

IF we don't believe in these things, should we go along with it? I hear in Bohemian Grove, a lot of wealthy people get together and reenact a sacrifice to a pagan deity. Many of them probably consider it a joke, but does worshipping Baal, or whatever, as a joke mean you aren't participating? I don't think treating things like this is a joke makes it okay, but even so, others there might not consider it a joke. Why should Christians participate in such things?
I'm not entirely sure but I believe that the bride throws the bouquet to prospective single women and not guys. Prospective single guys try to catch the garter. I don't see anything evil about this practice because it is a wedding tradition but it sure is not divination.
 

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With us drawing straws it is divination. With God whose name is Jealous he owns all things it was no gamble to him with Matthias when his number came up And Judas to represent the spirit of judgment fell backwards slain in the spirit.

I would say as long as the tradition does not do despite to the grace of God . Go for it. As Christians in one way we have all caught the bouquet a shadow of the hope, the gospel .
Strange that you mentioned Mathias as my wife and I just read the 1.st chapter of Acts this morning. The lot fell to Mathias to replace Judas as the 12th Apostle.
 

presidente

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I feel sorry for the concubines. Its kind of rotten luck to be the second, third or fourth wife.
If I am not mistaken, a concubine could be a first wife, even an only wife, back then. A slave taken as the masters wife was a concubine.
 

presidente

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I'm not entirely sure but I believe that the bride throws the bouquet to prospective single women and not guys. Prospective single guys try to catch the garter. I don't see anything evil about this practice because it is a wedding tradition but it sure is not divination.
My cousin just happened to be standing at the wrong place at the wrong time, i think, and the bouquet came at him and he caught it instinctively.
 

Truth7t7

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My cousin just happened to be standing at the wrong place at the wrong time, i think, and the bouquet came at him and he caught it instinctively.
Your cousin dosent live in San Francisco does he? :giggle:
 
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Strange that you mentioned Mathias as my wife and I just read the 1.st chapter of Acts this morning. The lot fell to Mathias to replace Judas as the 12th Apostle.
I find it interesting Judas falling backward slain in the spirt is used to represent the "spirit of judgement" Those who follow after a false gospel, the poison of false prophecy .

The tribe of Dan. Dan literally means "God is my judge;" It is used to represent the spirit of judgement the letter of the law death representing those who fall backward or break the neck in hanging, the judgement .

Both the tribe of Dan is missing from the description of the bride of Christ in Revelation. Tribes as gates into the city prepared as the bride are used to represent old testament saints the bride of Christ. And Judas missing from the twelve apostles used to represent saints on this side of the reformation as wall of the same city is missing

Dan "God is my judge;" represents the letter of the law death . Death will not be part of the new order. And Judas used as a witness to the law will not enter

Genesis 49:15-17 King James Version (KJV) And he saw that rest was good, and the land that it was pleasant; and bowed his shoulder to bear, and became a servant unto tribute. Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

John 18:5-7 King James Version (KJV) They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

The spirit of judgement. . slain in the Spirit is shown by the power of (I am he) the tongue of death .Death as the judgement of God will not enter the new order.
 

Blade

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The simple answer "Nope. Both are just something fun to do at weddings. :love: " By Lafftur.

Been to allot of weddings and I am 59 and this is the first time I have ever heard of this. Give Him all the glory and praise and have fun.

As for slain. The word of full of this.. haha you think you can just stand when in His presences of glory. I remember reading..old now but it was this man that loved to pray. It was him and the rest all young people. Well he said while they were praying he looks up and sees the girl look and just fall down. They race over to her and ask "are you ok? What happened?" She said "I looked over at the door and Jesus was walking in.. and thats all she remembered.

His word does say.. where 2 or 3 are gathered together in His name He IS there! So really makes you wonder.. how many of us TRULY REALLY believe it.
 

Lanolin

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If I am not mistaken, a concubine could be a first wife, even an only wife, back then. A slave taken as the masters wife was a concubine.
really, I dont know. Maybe only the rich women get to be proper wives?
 

presidente

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really, I dont know. Maybe only the rich women get to be proper wives?
My understanding was that concubines were legitimate wives in Old Testament times. That is different from Roman concubines.