Calvinism and Context?

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EleventhHour said:
I absolutely knew you were going to say that... so Judas was born with no dead spirit. He was a different creation?
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There you go again putting words in my mouth and thinking thoughts that you think I'm thinking.

Just crazy man.
 
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cv5 said:
Pretzel logic or not, an indisputable fact of history.

Paul was a Christian and I am a Christian. But I am not Paul nor do I hold a station as important as he did.
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Nor do you have the consistency with which Paul taught.
 
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cv5 said:
There you go again putting words in my mouth and thinking thoughts that you think I'm thinking.

Just crazy man.
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He was programmed from the moment of his birth, made no choices... explain?
 
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dcontroversal said:
Not hardly and you used verses out of co text to support your view....especially the last one!
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Lol. Well let's just say some were stronger than others.

Interestingly I never did get a actual scriptural rebuttal from anyone.

Hopefully is will not be a tragic missed opportunity.
 
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EleventhHour said:
He was programmed from the moment of his birth, made no choices... explain?
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You just did a great job yourself. Congratulations. Stick with it sister.
 
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Bbrdrd said:
That Paul was a Christian? Or with your frozen chosen view of salvation?
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Since you brought it up, oh yeah there is no doubt that Paul was frozen chosen. Absolutely no doubt whatsoever.

After all he said so himself, did he not?
 
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cv5 said:
Since you brought it up, oh yeah there is no doubt that Paul was frozen chosen. Absolutely no doubt whatsoever.

After all he said so himself, did he not?
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If you want to twist his words and add to Scripture, sure.
 
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dcontroversal said:
I am not even addressing her.....gotta love the fact we can search out posts on this site and bring them forward...
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Here is an interesting one.

I had heard of Jesus,but certainly didn’t obey the gospel,before I was saved,.....
No bible reading before my saving.
Can you quote scripture,where God say.....But unless you hear ,believe and obey the Gospel...God the Holy Spirit cannot regenerate you?

Religion can’t save you.
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Bbrdrd said:
You say that like I have a choice in the matter...
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Well, I suggest that you pray that Gods perfect will would overwhelm your fallible human "choicy" will.

Interestingly, the freewillers COVET (in the worst cases worship) the very thing that God clearly states that He will utterly destroy in the future eternal kingdom. Every thought every deed every act every expression of will is going to be subordinated and in fact sublimated to His glorious will.

Yes god is allowing willful sin presently even among Christians. Until two things happen:
a) the glorification of the Christians (and all Saints)
b) the destruction of the world sin and sinners in judgment

2Cor 10:5
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Here is an interesting one.
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Not sure what you are trying to point out here.God draws you to believe in Him,how can you start obeying the gospel,when you aren’t saved....it doesn’t makes sense to a non believer..because they haven’t been quickened...once he brings us to that place of belief,we are then saved/ quickened..adopted children of God..Born again...that’s when the bible starts to make sense..you can’t understand it in your own human understanding.
 
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jackrosie said:
Not sure what you are trying to point out here.God draws you to believe in Him,how can you start obeying the gospel,when you aren’t saved....it doesn’t makes sense to a non believer..because they haven’t been quickened...once he brings us to that place of belief,we are then saved/ quickened..adopted children of God..Born again.
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Good point and absolutely correct.
 
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jackrosie said:
Not sure what you are trying to point out here.God draws you to believe in Him,how can you start obeying the gospel,when you aren’t saved....it doesn’t makes sense to a non believer..because they haven’t been quickened...once he brings us to that place of belief,we are then saved/ quickened..adopted children of God..Born again...that’s when the bible starts to make sense..you can’t understand it in your own human understanding.
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Now you have a different order .... which is correct belief first and then regeneration/saved?
 
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