How do Christians receive "GRACE?" Can a Christian stop and frustrate "GRACE?" Do Christians receive "GRACE" automatically?

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Bible study question? If the Believer is frustrating grace by their Faith being misplaced; by not placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified - will grace continue to much more abound over sin in the life of a Believer?


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Bible study question? If the Believer is frustrating grace by their Faith being misplaced; by not placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified - will grace continue to much more abound over sin in the life of a Believer?


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You say ///Bible study question? If the Believer is frustrating grace by their Faith being misplaced; by not placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified - will grace continue to much more abound over sin in the life of a Believer?////
None of the above is biblical language or reasoning. Christianty is not hinduism. We don't ' concentrate and meditate on the Cross . We recieve Jesus . We recieve the atonement, we recieve the Holy spirit.
 

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Bible study question? If the Believer is frustrating grace by their Faith being misplaced; by not placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified - will grace continue to much more abound over sin in the life of a Believer?


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Grace is a ubiquitous reality, not a selective force.
Grace is just fine on it’s own as it’s found in scripture. Any modifier other than “free,” such as “sovereign,” “irresistible,” or “prevenient” indicate someone is either confused or attempting to confuse.
 

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This "Bible study question" is like those of the Jehovah's Witnesses; a slanted question that leads to an particular answer which is in line with the questioner's aberrant interpretation of Scripture. Typical components include statements that sound biblical but aren't and common words with uncommon meanings. The OP showed his hand by having the word "grace" capitalized and set off with quotation marks. The OP is a follower of Jimmy Swaggart, and is only here to promote Swaggart's teachings.

There are two ways of dealing with this kind of baiting: call it out for the garbage it is, or ignore it and shut the door.
 
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Why do Christians believe that it is not by grace through faith in Christ and the Cross (the Blood of Jesus) that God gives us grace?
 

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This "Bible study question" is like those of the Jehovah's Witnesses; a slanted question that leads to an particular answer which is in line with the questioner's aberrant interpretation of Scripture. Typical components include statements that sound biblical but aren't and common words with uncommon meanings. The OP showed his hand by having the word "grace" capitalized and set off with quotation marks. The OP is a follower of Jimmy Swaggart, and is only here to promote Swaggart's teachings.

There are two ways of dealing with this kind of baiting: call it out for the garbage it is, or ignore it and shut the door.
I'm sick of proselytizing masquerading as "askers of questions" here. As sly as it gets. I have more respect for JWs who are at least honest about their intent when they come to your door!
 

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Why do Christians believe that it is not by grace through faith in Christ and the Cross (the Blood of Jesus) that God gives us grace?
Quote any actual Christian who believes as you claim.
 
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The scripture says, "For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. Hebrews 5:12"

Many believe that you can bypass the Blood of Jesus (the Cross) and receive grace. My question is why have you removed yourself from Christ? Gal. 1:6

The Blood of Jesus is the same as the Cross.
The Cross is the same as the Blood of Jesus.


WAKE UP people of God. Be not deceived by those who are anointed by Satan who has crept in by making you believe that Faith in Jesus Christ and the Blood of Jesus (Jesus Christ and the Cross) is not needful. They are enemies of the Cross (the Blood of Jesus) who have been blotted out of the Lamb Book of Life. Without your heart trusting and from the heart placing your faith and maintaining it in Christ and the Cross where the victory was won, the grace of God stops immediately! Romans 8:2, Galatians 2:20-21, 1 Cor. 1:17-23, 1 Cor. 2:2, Jude 1:4
 

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Bible study question? If the Believer is frustrating grace by their Faith being misplaced; by not placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified - will grace continue to much more abound over sin in the life of a Believer?


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I think unfortunately you have a more of a catholic understanding of grace . Like its a substance ?
 
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These Judaizers (Satan ministers) follow me around preaching against the Blood of Jesus (Christ Crucified) making you believe that this is the Jimmy Swaggart gospel. Be not deceived! The flesh HATES WHEN YOU MENTION THE CROSS OF CHRIST (Gal. 6:12). That is why I preach Christ Crucified because the flesh must die!
 
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Anyone who peaches Christ alone and not Christ and the Blood of Jesus (The Lamb of God - The Cross) is preaching another Jesus (2 Cor. 11:4). BE NOT DECEIVED!!!!!!!

This is called a form of godliness. There is no power and no grace! The power is in the CROSS which allows God the Holy Spirit to help us (1 Cor. 1:18). Therefore, our faith must be placed and maintained in Christ and the Cross to be blessed!!!!!!
 

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These Judaizers (Satan ministers) follow me around preaching against the Blood of Jesus (Christ Crucified) making you believe that this is the Jimmy Swaggart gospel. Be not deceived! The flesh HATES WHEN YOU MENTION THE CROSS OF CHRIST (Gal. 6:12). That is why I preach Christ Crucified because the flesh must die!
No it was Jesus + Circumcision. Its when someone adds to grace with a work .
 
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No it was Jesus + Circumcision. Its when someone adds to grace with a work .
Anything and everything that is not of faith in Christ and the Blood of Jesus (the Cross) is circumcision (the Law / dead works - rotten fruit). It is time that you study your bible and stop being ignorant by walking in the vanity of your own mind (ignorance of Divine things, a moral blindness). Eph. 4:17, Rev. 3:1
 
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Anything and everything that is not of faith in Christ and the Blood of Jesus (the Cross) is circumcision (the Law / dead works - rotten fruit). It is time that you study your bible and stop being ignorant by walking in the vanity of your own mind (ignorance of Divine things, a moral blindness). Eph. 4:17, Rev. 3:1
It is a "willful ignorance" which brings about a "willful blindness, i.e.," "spiritual blindness." Eph. 4:17-18, Rev. 3:1, Matthew 7:14
 

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Many believe that you can bypass the Blood of Jesus (the Cross) and receive grace. My question is why have you removed yourself from Christ? Gal. 1:6
Please identify and quote these "many". In thirty years of being a Christian, I have NEVER encountered anyone who believes what you claim. I think you're blowing smoke.


The Blood of Jesus is the same as the Cross.
The Cross is the same as the Blood of Jesus.
What silliness! The blood of Jesus is what flowed through His veins and what ran down His side after the spear went in. The cross did neither of those things. The cross, in contrast, was a Roman tool of torture and execution; the blood of Jesus was never this.

The blood of Jesus was foreshadowed by the blood of lambs, bulls, and goats. The cross was foreshadowed by the snake on the pole.

These Judaizers (Satan ministers) follow me around preaching against the Blood of Jesus (Christ Crucified) making you believe that this is the Jimmy Swaggart gospel. Be not deceived! The flesh HATES WHEN YOU MENTION THE CROSS OF CHRIST (Gal. 6:12). That is why I preach Christ Crucified because the flesh must die!
"Satan ministers" are not necessarily Judaizers. Conflating the two just brings confusion. People who point out errors in the stuff you preach are not Judaizers.

You clearly don't have the integrity to confront your critics directly, which is what Scripture tells you to do.
 

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Anything and everything that is not of faith in Christ and the Blood of Jesus (the Cross) is circumcision (the Law / dead works - rotten fruit). It is time that you study your bible and stop being ignorant by walking in the vanity of your own mind (ignorance of Divine things, a moral blindness). Eph. 4:17, Rev. 3:1
It sounds like you have your faith in Jimmy swagg
 
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It sounds like you have your faith in Jimmy swagg
Leave the wide gate and the broad way (hell bound), and come to the strait gate and narrow way (Jesus Christ and Him Crucified, i.e., The Blood of Jesus - 1 Cor. 2:2) Matthew 7:13-14

All other things are foolish!
 

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Anything and everything that is not of faith in Christ and the Blood of Jesus (the Cross) is circumcision (the Law / dead works - rotten fruit). It is time that you study your bible and stop being ignorant by walking in the vanity of your own mind (ignorance of Divine things, a moral blindness). Eph. 4:17, Rev. 3:1
The Bible says that anything that is not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23). The idea that anything not of faith is 'circumcision' ( or law, dead works, or rotten fruit, for that matter) is NOT in the Bible.

Maybe YOU should study the Bible and stop studying the words of Jimmy Swaggart.

smh...
 
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The Miracle of God’s Word

Galatians 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


This one verse of Scripture alone reveals to us that without any doubt that The Holy Spirit will only speak about Jesus and point us to His finished work at the Cross using God’s Word to do it. He only guides us into Truth (John 16:13), and that Truth is the Truth of the Cross, for only when our faith is there and there alone are we not living as though we are under Law. This is so powerful because it allows us to see that The Holy Spirit will never lead us as God’s people to have a works mentality, but rather a Jesus paid it all mentality!

Only under Grace will The Holy Spirit lead anyone, therefore it is not the Holy Spirit who gives messages to preachers that tell anyone they just need to be trying harder, but quite the opposite, that they need to be believing in an already finished work at the Cross. All the fads that come into the Church yearly that tell us if we do this or if we do that, God will save us or deliver us, or pour out of His Spirit upon us, are not of the Lord. The Holy Spirit only points us to the Truth, and when accepted, He guides us in that Truth, and we will have the fruit thereof. Remember, The Holy Spirit only works by a Law and that Law is the Law of the Spirit of Life IN CHRIST JESUS, who alone can deliver from the Law of Sin and Death (Romans 8:2). Faith in the Cross allows the Holy Spirit to do the work He began at Salvation, but faith in ANYTHING other frustrates (Denies) Him (The Spirit of Grace - Galatians 2:21, Hebrews 10:29).

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