When are we saved ?

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OIC1965

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lenna said:
no

you have a comprehension problem

you cannot take a statement and create a blanket doctrine out of it. this is where you have gone over the cliff
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What does it mean that we are not born ( again) by the will of the flesh?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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EleventhHour said:
You have clearly asserted that God chooses some for salvation before the world began I believe.
As well, you seem to be very close to total inability.

Plus you stated you have views similar to the Remonstrants... Dutch Reformed Church>>> Calvinism
For me if I did believe anything Reformed Church taught I I would just own it.
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You have clearly been shown that non of this is true you you continue to insist. How far will you continue this nonsense?
 
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ForestGreenCook

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EleventhHour said:
Man can and does believe and when He does He receives the gift of eternal life.

If man has to be set free to believe there would be no need for him suppress truth.
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In Romans 1, it is not the natural man that suppressing the truth, because he has never had the truth to suppress. It is the regenerated people that are suppressing the truth in unrighteousness. You, evidently, do not understand how bad the regenerated person can be by his Adam inherited nature.
 
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throughfaith

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OIC1965 said:
Exactly. The right to become children of God is given to us. If the right to become children of God was not given, the power to believe unto salvation would not be given either. See that?
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Where is that in the text?
 
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Magenta

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EleventhHour said:
Man can and does believe and when He does He receives the gift of eternal life.

If man has to be set free to believe there would be no need for him suppress truth.
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According to Scripture man suppresses truth because of their wickedness...
men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil.
 
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lenna

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OIC1965 said:
Daily decisions and the new birth are different things altogether. John said will of the flesh, not me. Believe him.
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John is one of my favorite writers

please stop misquoting him
 
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EleventhHour

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OIC1965 said:
Non Calvinists believe what I’m saying. Your position is the odd one.
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Really ... that a person has the capacity to believe the Good News?

That God has given in enough information about Himself in creation and that people actually suppress that knowledge.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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EleventhHour said:
Yes, through faith, but not "a gift" they way you believe.
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So your faith was if your own and not a gift of God.
How did you come to faith apart from God doing anything?
 
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OIC1965

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lenna said:
from where I sit, (somewhere in FL) that seems to be my conclusion also
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I said what Paul said. “ God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world”.
 
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lenna

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OIC1965 said:
What does it mean that we are not born ( again) by the will of the flesh?
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you remember Jesus visit to Nicodemus?

short answer: that

longer version:

born again according to the will of God, is being born of His Spirit by the redemptive power of Jesus death and resurrection

the will of the flesh got both you and me here enjoined this debate/discussion
 
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eternally-gratefull

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OIC1965 said:
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No, every time I gave direct quotes from Paul on that. Direct and word for word.
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Again they can’t hear a word you say

They continue to falsely accuse you because you quote some scripture and they ASSUME it to be Calvinist instead of asking you like others have to find out first
 
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throughfaith

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ForestGreenCook said:
In Romans 1, it is not the natural man that suppressing the truth, because he has never had the truth to suppress. It is the regenerated people that are suppressing the truth in unrighteousness. You, evidently, do not understand how bad the regenerated person can be by his Adam inherited nature.
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Your theory never gets off the ground because no one was regenerated before the resurrection. 1 pet 1.3 .This is a glaring oversight in reformed theology . Desperately forced into the text because of the T .U L
 
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eternally-gratefull

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lenna said:
this has turned into a particularly meandering trail through the forest

we have Mary the perpetual virgin all the way to people saying the same thing but disagreeing that they are

I don't think we have arrived at the end yet. a few surprises still in store as you will see
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It is sad. Has been sad for a few months now
 
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EleventhHour

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OIC1965 said:
I said what Paul said. “ God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world”.
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God chose the "plan of salvation" before the foundation of the world, and the result of that plan was for those who believe to be IN Him.

He did not pick out/predestine certain people for salvation.
 
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