When are we saved ?

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Magenta

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throughfaith said:
Then we go beyond what is written then ?
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Where is it written that God does not speak to people???

Hint: nowhere is such a thing written.

I gave many Scriptural instances of Him doing so.

God does not change.

You are like an agnostic in that, since they do not know whether God exists, they claim nobody can know.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Biblical fact is that we do not serve three independant gods acting independantly, but a Triune God who is One, and the Father does not act independantly from God the Spirit, nor does God the Son.
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They have distinct roles .
 
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OIC1965 said:
Biblical fact is that we do not serve three independant gods acting independantly, but a Triune God who is One, and the Father does not act independantly from God the Spirit, nor does God the Son.
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You know you said that calvinists don't say they were saved before they believed. Read# 1181
 
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throughfaith said:
You know you said that calvinists don't say they were saved before they believed. Read# 1181
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I don’t think he said saved before believed. I think he means in the sense that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. The work of reconciliation was accomplished at the cross, the message of reconciliation is preached, and those who believe receive the benefits of the work that Christ accomplished at the cross.

In the same way, the sin debt of ours was paid at the cross. Remission of sins is preached. Those who believe receive the benefits of the work that Christ did at the cross

But no. I don’t believe we are justified before we believe. That is not what Calvinism teaches.
 
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throughfaith said:
if you mean that Jesus went rouge and did his own thing ,then no . Three co equal, co eternal persons in one being = God
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If Jesus draws, or the Father draws, there is no scriptural basis to the claim that they do so independantly of the Spirit.
 
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throughfaith said:
So your salvation was secured on the cross?
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Jesus accomplished the full work of redemption. That redemption is preached in the world. Those who believe receive the benefits of that work that Christ accomplished about 2,000 years ago.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Jesus accomplished the full work of redemption. That redemption is preached in the world. Those who believe receive the benefits of that work that Christ accomplished about 2,000 years ago.
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He will when he returns. Romans 8.23
 
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OIC1965 said:
Ask him to clarify. But Calvinism does not teach saved before time, which is what you claimed and I disputed.
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Since they are in fact chosen by God for salvation before time began they are in fact saved before time, because God has made the decision to save whomever He wants to save.

"In time" God forces regeneration and salvation.
 
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