Calling Jesus "Lord,' without choosing to obey Him with one's life, is useless and is not able to save anyone.

We were reconciled (brought back into favor of God) by Christ's sacrifice for our sins. It is because Christ took our sins upon himself that we are reconciled, not because we receive it. We were reconciled before we ever received it.

John 1:12, Who is it that received him? Answer= verse 13, those which were born, not of blood, nor the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. You are still trying to give the natural man what is given to the spiritual man, and that will not mix.

1 Cor 15: 1-4, What Paul received, along with the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, was the knowledge of the righteousness of God, found in the gospel, in which all of God's regenerated babes in Christ receive, including ourselves, when we come unto the knowledge of the gospel. Again, you are trying to apply this to the natural man

Why do you keep responding to my posts when you know what my answers are going to be? By now, you should be well informed as to the doctrine that I believe in, and should be convinced that I have the scriptures to back it up.

Then why would Jesus be denying himself, if he denies those that do not believe and that are going to hell?

My interpretation of this verse, if you have not already guessed, is that believing is not the cause of us being delivered eternally, but is a product of already having our inheritance secured.

My hope is that you too, believe that all scriptures must harmonize.

Thanks for your patience.

Sorry, throughfaith, I thought I was responding to Magenta.

Where do you come up with the idea that Jesus is denying Himself to keep His promise to non-believers?

I certainly did not say any such thing.

I do harmonize Scriptures.

That does not mean we will agree on all points.

Since as already been shown, you have some strange ideas

I would wonder what the original wording in the scripture was as pertains to what we understand today to be perfect?
God did not create us to be perfect therefore are we to understand in our vernacular as pertains to perfects definition in English that we are to be what our God given human nature, cloaked by and with holy spirit God cannot accomplish?

I have not sought the Greek answer to my question however I am looking forward to others thoughts without it. Or with, whichever. I'm easy to get along with. Just bring cheesecake.

Interesting. I like the sound of that. What scripture says this?

Makes sense. Do you have a link to a scripture that states that very thing? I like the sound of that.

Do you say your NOT a calvinist ?
1¶But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them , and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Jesus reconciled the world . why do I say that ? because that's what the bible actually says . 2cor 5.19 . All sins dealt with at the cross. All your doing is changing what Jesus did for the world and reducing it to the ' elect' . The inner few , the chosen, the awakened ones . The ones who have the knowledge , the inner secret knowledge only known to the initiated. How you cannot see that its gnosctism beats me ?

2 Corinthians 5:21 the Great Exchange - Abide in Christ
Moreover, He did more than just forgive us our sins; He imputed the perfect righteousness of His Son to us. ... who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation" (2 Corinthians 5:18).

If your looking to be perfect.....not happening. If your working to be righteous stop. It's all about Jesus and his work😉

Romans
16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Matthew
7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Salvation comes by the Blood of Jesus and It alone. There is no other way and no other name.

Acts
4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The same Scripture that says the Blood of Jesus cleanseth me.

The Lord then punished David for numbering Israel after David said he felt guilty for doing so.
2 Samuel 24 The Lord’s anger again raged against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go count Israel and Judah.” [a]
FOOTNOTE
[a] sn The parallel text in 1 Chr 21:1 says, “An adversary opposed Israel, inciting David to count how many warriors Israel had.” The Samuel version gives an underlying theological perspective, while the Chronicler simply describes what happened from a human perspective. The adversary in 1 Chr 21:1 is likely a human enemy, probably a nearby nation whose hostility against Israel pressured David into numbering the people so he could assess his military strength. See the note at 1 Chr 21:1.


Then with respect to that we have this passage and seen in the 2 Samuel footnote.
1 Chronicles 21:1 An adversary[a] opposed[b] Israel, inciting David to count how many warriors Israel had.[c]
Footnote: [a] 1 Chronicles 21:1 tn Or “Satan.” ....

Speaking of harmonizing scripture how does one harmonize two different accounts of David's being told to count Israel. First God, then Satan? The 2 Samuel 24 [a] footnote says the chronicler is simply telling what happened from a human perspective. And then says the adversary in 1 Chronicles account could be a mortal person. How does that apply when 2nd Samuel precedes Chronicles 1?And also has Samuel's account as that of God asking David to number Israel. (take a census) God then levy's David's choice of punishment for having done that what we're told God asked him to do, number Israel, in the first verses.
How then is it a human who may be the one referred to in 1 Chronicles of this account if the 2nd Samuel has it as God?

Exodus 30:11The Ransom Money
[t] The Lord spoke to Moses,[u] 12 “When you take a census[v] of the Israelites according to their number,[w] then each man is to pay a ransom[x] for his life to the Lord when you number them,[y] so that there will be no plague among them when you number them. 13 Everyone who crosses over to those who are numbered[z] is to pay this: a half shekel[aa] according to the shekel of the sanctuary[ab] (a shekel weighs twenty gerahs). The half shekel is to be an offering[ac] to the Lord. 14 Everyone who crosses over to those numbered, from twenty years old and up, is to pay an offering to the Lord. 15 The rich are not to pay more and the poor are not to pay less than the half shekel when giving[ad] the offering of the Lord, to make atonement[ae] for your lives. 16 You are to receive the atonement money[af] from the Israelites and give it for the service[ag] of the tent of meeting. It will be a memorial[ah] for the Israelites before the Lord, to make atonement[ai] for your lives.”

1 John 1:7

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

God bless you. Bedtime in Oysterland.

um have you looked at the context of single verses ?

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭

are you positive God requires “ perfection” ? Here’s the context of the single verse your using there to support an idea

“But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:44-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but that’s the context of what Jesus was saying we have to be perfect in mercy towards others and not judgemental

if that doesn’t ring to you look at the contemporary version of that sermon in Luke

“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest:

for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:37-

look at the things Jesus taught, and form understanding from there . The idea that Jesus was perfect because he obeyed Moses law is flawed and that his perfection covers us because of his blood

the blood of Christ is bound to the word of Christ just as Moses words were bound by animal blood

if we reject the word , the blood does nothing but condemn us by the very word we’re rejecting under that covenant blood

it’s a pattern in the law , the blood was about atonement for their sin but that doesn’t part from his word . Same with the new covenant Jesus words came first and then he was crucified and shed his blood of that covenant for atonement

one last thing if God requires anything , so does Christ that’s who’s word was spoken .

salvation is about belief not in blood nor a cross but belief in the gospel of our lord which includes the shedding of his blood after the covenant was preached

What does the word believe mean?