It's not an insult...

Basically all the commandments and traditions that God commanded the Jews to do in the OT were to keep their salvation it was about works not merely having faith in him like we are blessed enough to have.
They had salvation but had to have strict obedience it was a heavy yoke on them, God knew they could not fully keep his commandments because man is not perfect and he promised a savior from Davids blood line but if they had eternal salvation simply by believing in the OT then what was this savior saving them from?

The bible is divided into the OT and NT for a reason we have to learn to rightly divide the word to understand the scriptures better, the holy spirit and the blood of Christ added his grace unto them they no longer had to work for their salvation only believe and be saved this was the premise of the new covenant. David was perhaps the best representation of the new covanent in the old testament he had an actual bond and relationship with God but he also did all the things that were commanded in that time yet until Jesusu came no one had eternal salvation being sealed by his spirit forever and ever

Hello @eternally-gratefull,

Look at the Hall of Faith in Hebrews regarding the OT Believers........ they all died "in faith" believing yet not having obtained the promise which was that there will be a "Seed of the woman"........ a virgin will conceive...... the Anointed One is coming..... The Christ....... The Messiah..... The King of Kings and Lord of Lords.... Abraham's children will be uncountable because they are so many.....

Even with all this FAITH....... NOTHING was obtainable UNTIL Jesus Christ rose from the dead. AFTER Jesus Christ rose from the dead, other OT Believers also rose from the dead and were seen by people.

Matthew 27:52-53 King James Version (KJV)
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

BEFORE Jesus Christ died, buried, and rose from the dead....the disciples believed He had come to set up His Kingdom on the Earth now.......

His disciples did NOT fully understand the Gift of Salvation until AFTER Jesus Christ rose from the dead and appeared to them...then, they could be SEALED because they fully BELIEVED and understood - Jesus Christ opened up their understanding by breathing on them and saying, "Receive the Holy Spirit."

When Jesus breathed on his disciples in John 20:22, He SEALED them with the Holy Spirit just like He SEALS all of us that believe also, with the Holy Spirit.

However, the BAPTISM with the Holy Spirit is an empowering moment - absolutely wonderful! You literally know you are COMPLETELY POSSESSED and FILLED with God's Holy Spirit!!! 100% FILLED.

Yet, like a cellphone...... we don't get to stay at 100% UNLESS we learn how to get recharged......we need to plug in by going away from the world and all the chaos to be alone with God...... singing sweet love songs to Him, talking to Him sweetly, like a lover.......reading the scriptures, meditating on them, praying for our enemies, fellowshipping with God, and other Believers.

I've learned to take advantage of EVERY SINGLE TIME I am alone (while driving, while laying in my bed about to go to sleep, waking up..... a lot of times I have to make the time to be alone with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit but, I take advantage of EVERY time I am alone.

I ONLY listen to praise and worship music, audio bible...... I'm just constantly plugging in and trying to stay charged!

No one was ever saved or maintained their salvation by keeping the law

Moses states equivocally that they
Must obey ever word. Whoever did
Not obey every word was cursed. (See also GAL 3 Where Paul confirms this and states this is why No person was ever justified by the law )

If God approved if their faith they had eternal life. The Only think missing was the payment as Christ did Not die yet

This is a very long post can you shorten it some I do not have time to really dig into it

I will just say in Gen 3:15 Abraham believed and it was accounted ir imputes to him as righteousness. The same righteousness imputes to him is imputed to us.

God is outside of time the death of Christ was as assured as David would be a future prince. Man did not see it but God knew it.

And remember also. David as a young lad was considered a man after Gods heart. Their salvation was as assured as Mine is.

As you said in Hebrews. The difference is they did not see it because it had not yet happened to me it is past

And if it was only by faith then why did Christ have to die for sin? Because he established the covenant of eternal life before hand everyone had to obey the law and make blood sacrifices this is in essence works
And yes Paul did say that but this was also when the new covenant was established Jesus took the place of the law and the blood sacrifice

Sorry for my long posts...



In Genesis 3:15, God is speaking about the "Seed of the woman" that will crush the serpents head which we know the Seed is Jesus Christ and the serpent is Satan.

Abraham died "in faith" believing God to be faithful yet, having not OBTAINED the promises.

Salvation existed the moment the Lamb of God was slain BEFORE the foundation of the world in the Heavenly Realm yet, it could NOT be OBTAINED in the Physical Realm until Jesus Christ physically rose from the dead.

All the OT saints died in the Physical Realm not yet OBTAINING the promise because NOTHING was obtainable UNTIL Jesus Christ rose from the dead. Their salvation was assured but, not yet obtainable.

We'll die in faith believing Jesus Christ will return to the Earth in the Physical Realm yet, it will not be obtainable until He does.

Hope this helped and made sense to you!

no problem if I have offend you please forgive me that is not my intent. yes it was very smokey here but I mush more north to where the fires are now. You have my vote
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Aw, forget about it, I did. Having a dislocated knee, being in pain, not having a car and staying indoors since February + not seeing my family and watching all of the bad news with my fellow tenants. (patients) Has gotten me quite grumpy.

One of my housemates kidney punched another one, who is in a walker (last week). I spent most of today helping to file a police report & charges + getting a restraining order. I went to one courthouse twice. Two sheriffs departments and another courthouse as well. (Today.)(The elevators and restrooms were closed as well.)

I'm a little edgy, and sore. I'm way overdue for a nap. I'll just try to do the next right thing. I ain't perfect just forgiven. I'll cool my (cylinder) head.

Agape, Cali.

Hello again Roger, just think......

Jesus Christ chose Judas and knew he was a devil, so what?! None of the other disciples knew Judas was a devil until John asked Jesus at the last supper who would betray Jesus.

So, it's safe to say that our Lord Jesus Christ knows EXACTLY whose are His and those that are NOT and it's really NOTuptome (lol! yes, pun intended!) to try to figure it all out unless Jesus Christ wants to tell us but, come on......really?! Who cares?!

I'm following Jesus Christ, absolutely enjoying the indwelling and fellowship of the Holy Spirit and loving God and people.

Stop with all the judging and being critical - go back to your first love......go back and focus on loving Jesus Christ and let Him baptize you with the Holy Spirit.........may you enjoy your journey! God bless your understanding with ears to hear and eyes to see, in the Name of Jesus Christ, amen.

You are teaching complete nonsense. I was baptized in the Holy Spirit the instant I believed into Christ. I have been filled with the Holy Spirit more times than I can count. None of my blessing in the Lord over the years has been anything like the lollipop nonsense you espouse.

Scripturally speaking being filled with the Spirit is being filled with the Word of God. This evidence is not readily apparent in what you write.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

again, abraham was just as saved as you and I are, abraham did not receive his inheritance because the amortize had not yet become unsalable, but his salvation was just as secure as ours, it could not be lost. They were not saved by law

You are teaching complete nonsense. I was baptized in the Holy Spirit the instant I believed into Christ. I have been filled with the Holy Spirit more times than I can count. None of my blessing in the Lord over the years has been anything like the lollipop nonsense you espouse.

Scripturally speaking being filled with the Spirit is being filled with the Word of God. This evidence is not readily apparent in what you write.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Correction.......you THINK I'm teaching complete lollipop nonsense but, I am NOT.

Correction.......you THINK I'm teaching complete lollipop nonsense but, I am NOT.

Your opinion not validated in Gods word.

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Your opinion not validated in Gods word.

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You are teaching complete nonsense. I was baptized in the Holy Spirit the instant I believed into Christ. I have been filled with the Holy Spirit more times than I can count. None of my blessing in the Lord over the years has been anything like the lollipop nonsense you espouse.

Scripturally speaking being filled with the Spirit is being filled with the Word of God. This evidence is not readily apparent in what you write.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

you just attack those who have experienced differently than yours. It is not one who is saying you have not the Holy Spirit. That is a false narrative you and those like you created to attack the Context of the Empowering of the Holy Spirit. It has been explained to you many times over. YET the troll that you continue to lie and make false statements over and over. You need to go.

Your opinion not validated in Gods word.

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

For the cause of Christ
Roger

you just attack those who have experienced differently than yours. It is not one who is saying you have not the Holy Spirit. That is a false narrative you and those like you created to attack the Context of the Empowering of the Holy Spirit. It has been explained to you many times over. YET the troll that you continue to lie and make false statements over and over. You need to go.

Hey notuotome better heed the warning to go.
After all CS1 is a moderator.

I really find it sad that a rep of this site would use such language toward those who post things he does not like.