It's not an insult...

[calibob]

Dear Heavenly Father,

Thank You for my sweeeeet brothers - @calibob and @CS1! Bless them both today in a very special way! Pour out a wonderful blessing for them, in the Name of Jesus Christ - our Lord, Savior and King, amen.

 

[calibob]

no problem if I have offend you please forgive me that is not my intent. yes it was very smokey here but I mush more north to where the fires are now. You have my vote

God bless,

I'm in OC now and the sky has been filled with smoke for days. Actually weeks but it blows away every few days or so. I choose to let by gones be by gones. Did you read what happened to me?

https://christianchat.com/threads/cra-christians-in-recovery-anonymous.184102/post-4403121

I just took you off of ignore. I was being stupid any way. After what happened to me I'm happy to say, "life goes on."

Peace!

 

[Lafftur]

Not an insult, to whom? It is heresy taught in apostacy. I would say that it is an insult to Christ. You do despite to Gods word and think there will be no consequence?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Oh Roger.......

Come on, God loves you so much! But, I tell you what.....just keep pursuing Jesus Christ with all your heart, mind, soul and body and sooner or later......you'll run into the Holy Spirit and be ever so pleasantly surprised!!

 

[Subhumanoidal]

@lenna
I see rather than acknowledge your being wrong and answering my question you just gave me an X. Great character. I suppose that push about encouragement went out the window eh? 😂😂

 

[Blain]

This message is for ALL,

Satan tries really hard to make it sound like an insult rather than an exhortation when someone is advised that they still need to receive the Holy Ghost. ESPECIALLY if that person has faith.

It can be clearly stated that Peter, James and John were even made APOSTLES before they received the Holy Ghost! John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

• Are we INSULTING them by saying they still needed to receive the Holy Ghost? Absolutely not.
• Are we claiming they don't have faith in God? No, it's quite easy to see that they believed and trusted God and Jesus.
• Are we saying the promise of the Holy Ghost isn't for them? Again, Absolutely not.
• We are just saying that people need to seek until they find, knock until it is opened, ask until they receive...and not give up along the way. We are encouraging them to CONTINUE until they receive all that God has PROMISED them...(including a place in heaven).
• We see people all over who have heard of Jesus or have a bible or have learned how to pray and recieve things (which means they have FAITH) and yet haven't even heard that they need to receive the Holy Ghost. Paul ran into a group like that in Acts 19. The bible calls them disciples. Paul acknowledged their belief. Yet they hadn't been told that they needed the Holy Ghost. They were thankfully able to receive this without taking offense...internalized the additional truth...were baptized to get it right...and eventually (not immediately) ACTUALLY RECEIVED the Holy Ghost, which didn't ACTUALLY HAPPEN until Paul laid his hands on them. That is a beautiful account because they could have taken offense instead (as Satan works hard to make happen today).

To say that someone still needs to receive the Holy Ghost isn't an insult. It's a statement that we understand that God has more for them and we're believing that they are worthy to receive it... if they TARRY until they are endued with power "For ye shall receive POWER after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you". and "For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in POWER".

Too many have much doctrine and words....but no power... and they fulfil the scripture regarding those who are "having a form of godliness, but denying the power".

If you know you have faith, and you know you believe in Jesus, and you know you love God, but also know you don't really have much power, and especially if you know that you've never "spake with new tongues as the spirit gave them utterance"...you probably need to seek God until he baptizes you with the same Holy Ghost that he gave on the day of Pentecost and promised "unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call".

As I've said to others I now say to ALL... I wish you well on your journey.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

I sincerly hope your not saying that unless you speak in tongues you don't have the holy spirit or that if you cannot heal or walk in great power like the apostles because that is simply not true. I have never been able to heal and I as far as I know have not spoken in tongues I cannot say I walk in power but he does operate in different ways with me just as everyone in his kingdom walks and operates differently in his kingdom.
The holy spirit is far more than just power he is warmth and comfert he is the still waters that we soak in the Lords presence he is the fire that ignites in our hearts and catches others hearts ablaze as well he is the hope in the face of utter despair he is the voice that speaks to our hearts with words with no tongue and a voice with no sound.

The holy spirit is so much more than having the power they walked in so so much more

 

[lenna]

No I didn't.
I left basically about sacramentarianism. I have become sacramental. In other words I believe in the presence of Jesus in his sacraments, and reject symbolism only. I put that in the category with iconism.

well that's different

I don't see it that way

I don't follow what you mean by putting it in the category with iconism.

 

[lenna]

I sincerly hope your not saying that unless you speak in tongues you don't have the holy spirit or that if you cannot heal or walk in great power like the apostles because that is simply not true. I have never been able to heal and I as far as I know have not spoken in tongues I cannot say I walk in power but he does operate in different ways with me just as everyone in his kingdom walks and operates differently in his kingdom.
The holy spirit is far more than just power he is warmth and comfert he is the still waters that we soak in the Lords presence he is the fire that ignites in our hearts and catches others hearts ablaze as well he is the hope in the face of utter despair he is the voice that speaks to our hearts with words with no tongue and a voice with no sound.

The holy spirit is so much more than having the power they walked in so so much more

where do you see Kelby saying a person is not saved unless they speak in tongues

I don't see it so I would like to know why you might think that

 

[lenna]

I have a real problem with people telling me I need this or that in my life as a child of God.
They may deny it, but they are judging. Saying I am lacking. I am less a child than they are.

When the Holy Spirit came upon that church in that upper room, they went out and preached the Gospel to those in and around Jerusalem.
They spoke in languages and dialects they had not previously spoke and those they spoke to understood what was said in their native languages or dialects.
What is call speaking in tongues today has no resemblance to what took place then nor what Paul addressed in Corinthians.
What I see today is people calling attention to themselves and not to Jesus.
And I also see those who seldom talk about tongues, do not believe it has anything to do with salvation but also see and have debated with those who make speaking in tongues the very center of their worship and believe if one does not speak in tongues they are not saved.

It is never to be about you or me, it is always to be about Jesus.

were you there?

 

[notuptome]

Correct, the disciples were NOT SEALED until Jesus Christ breathed on them in John 20:22 because they had not fully understood the Gift of Salvation until AFTER Jesus Christ rose from the dead and appeared to them and opened their understanding of the scriptures - then they BELIEVED and were SEALED.

This is also why Judas Iscariot could fall away - Judas was NEVER SEALED.

Judas was never saved even though he walked with Jesus and the other disciples for three years. Judas likely went out and worked with power when Jesus sent them out to heal and do miracles. Judas simply did not fall away he rejected Jesus as Messiah.

Such is the case of many today who are in church and are very adept at looking like they believe a Christian should look but have never been under conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment. Never turned form sin and asked Christ to save them forsaking all other.

By their fruits you shall know them. They take the word of God and play fast and loose with it using it as they please to further their desires and goals. Some are pastors and some are just interested in the acclaim for themselves. Wind and clouds without rain are these. These will cry unto Jesus and be turned away because they never knew Him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[lenna]

so first of all, DWR, you say you are sorry if you are mistaken

DWR, post: 4403245, member: 296643"]You might want to check Kelby's post in THE PURPOSE OF SPEAKING IN TONGUES thread.
If I have mistaken Kelby's belief for someone else , I am sorry.
Let Kelby clear this up

but then, you go with it again when speaking to another person

"DWR, post: 4403369, member: 296643"]So you are joining Kelby in passing judgment on all who do not speak in tongues as lacking in our Christian life.

sorry not sorry, eh? but of course, in order to sound right, you go with this, lest anyone think you object to the gospel:

DWR, post: 4403268, member: 296643"]It is never to be about you or me, it is always to be about Jesus.


if you are insulted, then it shows something is going on, because if someone says something about me I know is not true, I am not going to create post after post saying it's not me, it's you. Have you noticed how you have made the issue all about you taking things personally?


since you cannot show a post where anyone said if you do not speak in tongues you are not saved, I think you are using those words like a mantra to absolve yourself of participation

and that is your choice. however, how is it those who take a negative stance against the gift of tongues almost always resort to personal attack while claiming it is being done to them

I didn't see 'this thread is only for DWR' in the op and as Kelby went out of his way to say 'no insult intended', in fact had 'no insult intended' as the title of his op, and you obviously ARE insulted and are ticked off because gentle words created an uncomfortable feeling in you that you wish to charge to others

 

[Lafftur]

I sincerly hope your not saying that unless you speak in tongues you don't have the holy spirit or that if you cannot heal or walk in great power like the apostles because that is simply not true. I have never been able to heal and I as far as I know have not spoken in tongues I cannot say I walk in power but he does operate in different ways with me just as everyone in his kingdom walks and operates differently in his kingdom.
The holy spirit is far more than just power he is warmth and comfert he is the still waters that we soak in the Lords presence he is the fire that ignites in our hearts and catches others hearts ablaze as well he is the hope in the face of utter despair he is the voice that speaks to our hearts with words with no tongue and a voice with no sound.

The holy spirit is so much more than having the power they walked in so so much more

Hello to another very sweeeeeet brother of mine......Blain!

I'm jumping in here to just say that @KelbyofGod in his original post is NOT saying that a person must speak in tongues to be saved. He, like you, loves God very much, is a firm believer in the saving power of the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ and thoroughly enjoys fellowshipping with the Holy Spirit very much!

Kelby is just trying to encourage all believers to go HIGHER with God. We're ALL sealed with the Holy Spirit but, he is trying to get us to understand that there's MORE and I agree with him! We need to receive the Baptism with the Holy Spirit which is the First Time we are FILLED with the Holy Spirit, and then we need to learn how to be "continually filled" with the Holy Spirit.

None of this "sealed, baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit" is to promote our own agenda but, ALL of it is to promote Jesus Christ and His Kingdom - the Kingdom of God that is coming to the Earth.

Blain, I believe you have received the baptism with the Holy Spirit because He is evident in your writings and in your testimony and no one can confess Jesus Christ is Lord without the Spirit.

Don't let what others are saying about Kelby cause you to misunderstand his original post.

 

[Lafftur]

Judas was never saved even though he walked with Jesus and the other disciples for three years. Judas likely went out and worked with power when Jesus sent them out to heal and do miracles. Judas simply did not fall away he rejected Jesus as Messiah.

Such is the case of many today who are in church and are very adept at looking like they believe a Christian should look but have never been under conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment. Never turned form sin and asked Christ to save them forsaking all other.

By their fruits you shall know them. They take the word of God and play fast and loose with it using it as they please to further their desires and goals. Some are pastors and some are just interested in the acclaim for themselves. Wind and clouds without rain are these. These will cry unto Jesus and be turned away because they never knew Him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Hello again Roger, just think......

Jesus Christ chose Judas and knew he was a devil, so what?! None of the other disciples knew Judas was a devil until John asked Jesus at the last supper who would betray Jesus.

So, it's safe to say that our Lord Jesus Christ knows EXACTLY whose are His and those that are NOT and it's really NOTuptome (lol! yes, pun intended!) to try to figure it all out unless Jesus Christ wants to tell us but, come on......really?! Who cares?!

I'm following Jesus Christ, absolutely enjoying the indwelling and fellowship of the Holy Spirit and loving God and people.

Stop with all the judging and being critical - go back to your first love......go back and focus on loving Jesus Christ and let Him baptize you with the Holy Spirit.........may you enjoy your journey! God bless your understanding with ears to hear and eyes to see, in the Name of Jesus Christ, amen.

 

[Blain]

Hello to another very sweeeeeet brother of mine......Blain!

I'm jumping in here to just say that @KelbyofGod in his original post is NOT saying that a person must speak in tongues to be saved. He, like you, loves God very much, is a firm believer in the saving power of the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ and thoroughly enjoys fellowshipping with the Holy Spirit very much!

Kelby is just trying to encourage all believers to go HIGHER with God. We're ALL sealed with the Holy Spirit but, he is trying to get us to understand that there's MORE and I agree with him! We need to receive the Baptism with the Holy Spirit which is the First Time we are FILLED with the Holy Spirit, and then we need to learn how to be "continually filled" with the Holy Spirit.

None of this "sealed, baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit" is to promote our own agenda but, ALL of it is to promote Jesus Christ and His Kingdom - the Kingdom of God that is coming to the Earth.

Blain, I believe you have received the baptism with the Holy Spirit because He is evident in your writings and in your testimony and no one can confess Jesus Christ is Lord without the Spirit.

Don't let what others are saying about Kelby cause you to misunderstand his original post.

Oh I see that was my fault I misunderstood his post I would have to agree with him on that I would love nothing more than to grow much more intimate with the holy spirit I mean granted I know that he gives gifts especially the one I want more than any other like the gift of healing but honestly just to get to know him like I have come to know father and Jesus would be a huge blessing. I see him use me all the time but it is like I barely know anything about him and I don't even know if I can have the gift of healing because I have asked so many times and still can't.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

well that's different

I don't see it that way

I don't follow what you mean by putting it in the category with iconism.

If the supper, and baptism is only symbolic, then the elements are nothing more that the crucifix at the alter in front of a Roman Catholic assembly. And drinking the wine and bread or being submerged in the water is nothing more that walking up and touching that crucifix and crossing yourself. It's borderline idolatry.
But if Jesus is there present in the elements then you are communing with Jesus and doing what he said to do. It is then meaningful and serves a purpose.

 

[DWR]

This message is for ALL,

Satan tries really hard to make it sound like an insult rather than an exhortation when someone is advised that they still need to receive the Holy Ghost. ESPECIALLY if that person has faith.

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Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Before a person can advise me that I need to receive the Holy Ghost that person must first make the judgement that I do not have the Holy Ghost.
Kelby does not have that authority.

 

[DWR]

You you are saying you know better? Just provide the explanation of John 20:22 what happen here and why after this did the disciples have to wait when they were already saved and had the Holy Spirt ? Just explain why Jesus said in Luke 24:49 and Acts 1:8 to wait for power after they have already received the Holy Spirit as we see in John 20:22?

I am so glad that a moderator took the time to give my post big red X's and correct me.
I will leave this thread so as not to upset this moderator.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Before a person can advise me that I need to receive the Holy Ghost that person must first make the judgement that I do not have the Holy Ghost.
Kelby does not have that authority.

His statement also makes the implicit assertion that some measure of the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, can be obtained earned or merited. The Holy Ghost and his gifts are only received by grace. I personally would go as far as to say that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the very definition of grace. That the spirit of God would condescend to a person's personal presence.

 

[lenna]

If the supper, and baptism is only symbolic, then the elements are nothing more that the crucifix at the alter in front of a Roman Catholic assembly. And drinking the wine and bread or being submerged in the water is nothing more that walking up and touching that crucifix and crossing yourself. It's borderline idolatry.
But if Jesus is there present in the elements then you are communing with Jesus and doing what he said to do. It is then meaningful and serves a purpose.

well honestly, (let's hope, eh?) I don't see things that way. I believe Jesus is always present by the Holy Spirit anyway and take such things as baptism and the wine and bread, very seriously

I suppose if you see things as you describe, then maybe observe that way

I don't touch crucifix's or make the sign of the cross or walk backwards

A person can say Jesus is there or believe in transubstantiation, (which I do not and see no indication to go that route in scripture), but doing things blindly, I would agree, is not meaningful either

I've known Catholics who go to confession Saturday am early so they can do whatever they want the rest of the week-end

I see the 'supper' as Jesus saying 'this do in remembrance of me'...they used to hold actual meals and some drank too much wine

if I were visiting the planet, I would think humans hypocritical and unable to do what they say they believe

sometimes I feel like I am just visiting........

 

[lenna]

His statement also makes the implicit assertion that some measure of the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, can be obtained earned or merited.

implicit assertion

I don't know. I have a pretty good command of the English language and I don't see that

 

[lenna]

I am so glad that a moderator took the time to give my post big red X's and correct me.
I will leave this thread so as not to upset this moderator.

since you are insulted....