The Post Tribulation Rapture

False And (Fake News), Dispensationalism's Tim La Haye (Left Behind) Sci-Fi Episode 6

The anti-Christ / anti-Messiah will take the place of God and God's lineage of earthly servants from the lineage of David, serving on earth, under the heavenly throne of Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach, as mentioned in Ezekiel 37:24 & Ezekiel 46:18:


Ezekiel 37 (ESV)

24 "My servant David shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall walk in my rules and be careful to obey my statutes.


Ezekiel 46 (ESV)

18 The prince shall not take any of the inheritance of the people, thrusting them out of their property. He shall give his sons their inheritance out of his own property, so that none of my people shall be scattered from his property."


God's temple will be built by the initial earthly prince, God's servant David (from the lineage of David / Judah), and God's shekinah presence will dwell with man. But at the last 3.5 years of the existence of earth, the lawless one who takes the place of the descendants of God's servant, from the lineage of David (like Solomon took David's place as ruler, and received 666 talents of gold in one year from the Israelites, when he started to put a yoke on them, and fell into idolatry), will exit the palace, and enter God's temple, and declare himself god, to be worshipped alone.

Ezekiel 43 (ESV)

4 As the glory of the Lord entered the temple by the gate facing east, 5 the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the temple.


2 Thessalonians 2 (ESV)

3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

You mean like Moses/Aaron bringing plagues upon Pharaoh and the Land of Egypt?

How many Hebrews Were Affected By These Plagues, (None)

The great tribulation is not a punishment, it is a trial for those who do not take the mark of the beast. For those who take the mark of the beast it will not be a tribulation at all, they will carry on with their lives merrily, buying and selling...

Be inspired by Daniel and his friends, how they escaped the trials when they were forced to worship the statue of Nebuchadnezzar, and refused.

Or Jesus and his disciples, all died a death of martyrdom (except John), so we could receive the Gospel. It is however not the eternal death, that awaits those who take the mark of the beast.

The future tribulation of 3.5 years will see the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation 11:3-6 below, standing before the Beast/Antichrist day for day, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, All Plagues As Often As They Will

The Lord Jesus will rule the tribulation,by the plagues brought by these prophets returned, I believe Enoch/Elijah who never experienced a physical death.

Did the plagues of Egypt, fall upon the Hebrews? 100% No!

It's going to be a complete remake of the same in the future tribulation,and the (Two Witnesses) will torment the Beast and his Kingdom on this earth, as the Church is protected.

Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Gods protection of the Church during the tribulation, if they try to jail or kill,they in return will be jailed and killed, thus the patience and faith of the Church.

Revelation 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

What? The GT will be the most devastating thing ever and it says 'And if those days [of tribulation] had not been cut short, no human life would be saved; but for the sake of the elect (God’s chosen ones) those days will be shortened. Mt 24:22.
That's also when the Jews will accept Jesus. The whole earth will be in chaos.

Not much to talk about when you say "Dispensationalism Falsely Teaches Matthew 24:29-31 Applies Only To Jews, (A Lie) "

A they were all Jews.. no Christians.. no Church asked Him. Jews still under the law.. Christ has not died rose yet. Now to say it can also include..so forth would have been great but to simple call it a lie.. you case point falls.

It seems not only does pre-trib rapture teaches more than one return of Christ / Messiah on the clouds in the air, but also more than one rapture of those in Christ / Messiah into the air (as they say the coming of Christ / Messiah, and the appurtenant rapture in Matthew 24:29-42 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, is not the same event, its two different comings of Christ / Messiah, and two different raptures of those in Christ / Messiah, although both has Christ in the clouds and the raptured meeting him there? This error disarms the warning of Matthew 24:42 (ESV) of "Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming." If the Lord came, its over, its final, its the end.

In Matthew 24 there's no third coming of Christ / Messiah or second rapture, there is the one and only rapture of those in Christ / Messiah (verse 40), accompanying the one and only second coming of Christ / Messiah (verse 30), immediately after the great tribulation (verse 29), which follows the gospel of the kingdom being proclaimed to the whole world (verse 14).


Matthew 24 (ESV) (GOSPEL TO THE WHOLE WORLD -> GREAT TRIBULATION -> SECOND COMING OF CHRIST -> RAPTURE)

11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world (GOSPEL TO THE WHOLE WORLD) as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 29 "Immediately after the tribulation (GREAT TRIBULATION) of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven (SECOND COMING OF CHRIST) with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 "From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. 36 "But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. 37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left (RAPTURE). 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. 42 Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.



1 Thessalonians 4 (ESV) (SECOND COMING OF CHRIST -> RAPTURE)

15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven (SECOND COMING OF CHRIST) with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (RAPTURE), and so we will always be with the Lord.

Who is the elect that will be present in the great tribulation to you?

The Jews accepts Jesus / Yeshua here, before the great tribulation:


Zechariah 12 (ESV)

10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

Revelation 13 (ESV)

7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people (not just Jacob's trouble, but all nation's trouble) and language and nation, 8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it (during the 3.5 years of great tribulation), everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

So I ask you again: Who do you think is the elect? The elect is those whose names have been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. It is Christendom including all Jews and Gentiles alike, those who has Jesus / Yeshua as their King.

The 'tribes' the 144,000. Others who accept Jesus after the Rapture will be persecuted.
Anyway I won't change my view of this and you the same probably. I just say it's good to 'be ready' at any time.

Yes, also 'be ready' at any time, to persevere with your faith through the great tribulation.

You do know that the tribes consist of Judah (3 southern Judean Jewish tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi) and Ephraim (10 northern Ephraimite Israelite tribes of Ephraim/Joseph, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Issachar, Zebulun and Dan.

The Jews are not representative of all the tribes of Israel the sons of Jacob. Ephraim's tribes went into Assyrian captivity 2700+ years ago, was scattered into the Gentile nations to the four corners of the earth, intermingled and adopted Gentiles and their customs, and have to this day not surfaced.

Do you think Ephraim's tribes as the Gentiles have already accepted Christ / Yeshua, and is currently already part of the renewed Israel of the Body of Christ, whilst the spirit of stupor on the Jews have not yet been lifted by the spirit of grace, for the sake of the renewal of the Gentiles under ONE NEW COVENANT with ONE NEW COVENANT PEOPLE, the Olive Tree of Romans 11?


Romans 11 (ESV)

7 What then? Israel (Jewish portion of Israel) failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day." (for the sake of the Gentiles - Gentile intermingled Ephraimite portion of Israel)


Zechariah 12 (ESV)

10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

Sorry I tried to change my post... yet you only have 5 min.

I get confused. Well we read Matt 24:31/Mark 13:27. So it reads "He will send His angels with a loud trumpet call." Now in Thes says "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first."

So.. seems Christ forgot He the lord Himself will descent from heaven with a shout, with a voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. Yeah.. those to don't match.. Yet some say "see its the same thing". It not even close. Shout, voice trumpet of GOD is left out. The other He is sending His angels..and no dead rising 1st. No shout no voice of an archangel. One says loud trumpet call the other trumpet of God the dead in Christ will be the fist to rise.

And some believe those two are the same? What Christ forgot parts or the Holy Spirit through Paul did? The fact Paul said "We which remain". Then knowing there was no NT when Christ was talking to only the Jews. They were all still doing the LAW. To also read stating with Chapter 4 or Rev the Church is not talked about. We read as if its all about Israel. That 70th week. Not the world owes God but Israel. And who is out there preaching now? Not the Church but the 144000.

If you differentiate Israel from the restored Body of Christ under the new covenant of grace, you run into all sorts of trouble. Jesus / Yeshua came to gather ALL GOD'S CHILDREN INTO ONE, Jew (Judah) and Gentile (Ephraim) alike.


Ezekiel 37 (ESV)

19 say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am about to take the stick of Joseph (that is in the hand of Ephraim) and the tribes of Israel associated with him. And I will join with it the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, that they may be one in my hand. 20 When the sticks on which you write are in your hand before their eyes, 21 then say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will take the people of Israel from the nations among which they have gone, and will gather them from all around, and bring them to their own land. 22 And I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. And one king shall be king over them all, and they shall be no longer two nations, and no longer divided into two kingdoms. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols and their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions. But I will save them from all the backslidings in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them; and they shall be my people, and I will be their God. 24 "My servant David shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall walk in my rules and be careful to obey my statutes.


John 11 (ESV)

47 So the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered the council and said, "What are we to do? For this man performs many signs. 48 If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation." 49 But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, "You know nothing at all. 50 Nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish." 51 He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, 52 and not for the nation only (the 3 Jewish tribes), but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad (the 10 scattered Ephraimite tribes intermingled with, and adopted the Gentiles and their customs). 53 So from that day on they made plans to put him to death. 54 Jesus therefore no longer walked openly among the Jews, but went from there to the region near the wilderness, to a town called Ephraim, and there he stayed with the disciples.

Not much point to that now, is there? After the Trib is when we come down with Him at the Second Coming of Jesus. Lets just stick to what the Bible says.

Kindly quote the scriptures supporting your statement.

Revelation
19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture, I'm sticking to the bible, and not the false teachings of John N. Darby in dispensationalism

The marriage supper takes place after the second coming, not a pre-trib rapture that dosent exist in the scripture.

To have itching ears, we would most certainly want to believe the MODERN-DAY prophets, propheteering that we, as part of the Body of Christ / Messiah, would not have to go through a TRIAL OR TRIBULATION, even less so the great tribulation. Unfortunately we learn from the parable of the seed, that this is not how HOLDING FAST TO FAITH IN GOD'S WORD works. When God warns us beforehand, of our future trials or tribulations, in his Word, we do not enter an ostrich mentality, but we take heed, we are prepared and we persevere.


2 Timothy 4 (ESV)

3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Luke 8 (ESV)

11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing (TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS) fall away. 14 And as for what fell among the thorns, they are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by the cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature. 15 As for that in the good soil, they are those who, HEARING THE WORD, HOLD IT FAST in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.