Will The Future Antichrist Of Daniel 11:37, Be A Hebrew - Jew In Decent?

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GraceAndTruth

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#42
I'm Ahmillennial that believes there will be no future millennium, it is taking place presently in the spiritual realm.

However I believe all three items below are future unfulfilled.

(Future Events Unfulfilled)

Matt 24:15, Daniel's AOD
Matt 25:21, The Great Tribulation
Matt 24:29-31 The Second Coming
You just can't help being wrong headed on this.
AHmillennial? oh yes.........ahhhh
You should correct that in your copy and paste eschatology
 

Shilohsfoal

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The Scripture below in Daniel 11:37 shows this future human man will not regard (The God Of His Fathers)

His fathers worshipped the true Hebrew (God), this future human man will be a Hebrew/Jew in decent.

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
Having friends who participated in the first war with the king of the south and relatives who participated in the second, I had speculated that the King of the north who would succeed the raised of taxes would be Jewish. But Daniel does not say that king of the north or his fathers are Jewish so I did not form an opinion of it. As time of his apointment c as me I was able to pick him out as he stood on a stage with his competitors. He will be reelected in two days and will continue his work in and a around Israel. After the king of the south attacks our armed forces in Israel we will destroy nearly all of the middle east.
 

Shilohsfoal

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#45
Brother it might be called a great city.....But that is not the only requirement it has to rule over all the kings of the earth and never have i seen anything to supporting that Jerusalem was a ruler over all the kings of the earth. God bless
Those who claim Rome rules over the kings of the earth can not explain one thing.

If the ten kings hate the whore as scripture shows, and they give thier power to the beast as it is written, then why does the beast ivade Jerusalem and kill the witnesses there and does not attack Rome?
If the whore were Rome, would the beast not attack Rome and kill its occupants?
 

Shilohsfoal

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#46
You have been clearly shown

1.) Jerusalem Sits on seven hills
2.) Jerusalem is guilty of the prophets blood, Rome didnt exist
3. ) Jerusalem is (The Great City) where Jesus Christ was crucified
4.) Jerusalem has filled the cup of wrath, not Rome
5.) Jerusalem is the woman clothed in purple, scarlet,gold, and precious stone, the dressing of the Levitical high priest

The Antichrist will be a Jew/Hebrew in decent, Jerusalem is the whore, mystery babylon the great

Jesus Christ Is Lord! (y)
The king of the north is king of the north, not Jerusalem. Just because he moves the tabernacle of his palace(embassy) to Jerusalem does not mean he will reside there nor does it mean he is Hebrew.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Is he the future Jew, if not wrong guy.
So ya think there will be a re-emerging of the Greek empire that will again be divided into 4 similar to the fall of Alexander the great?
 

calibob

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#48
Why does he have to be a Jew?
He dosn't. He will most likely be an imposter in order to win over the Hebrews who expect the Messiah to come from the lineage of Abraham. Lucifer is neither a Jew or Gentile. Lucifer will take possession of the Beast. Remember the Antichrist personified and the Beast will be two different individuals entirely. He will become the possessed by Satan before he sits in the Holy Place and declares himself to be God before the Lord returns.
 

Yahshua

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The Scripture below in Daniel 11:37 shows this future human man will not regard (The God Of His Fathers)

His fathers worshipped the true Hebrew (God), this future human man will be a Hebrew/Jew in decent.

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
Daniel 11 sets the context of the prophecy early in the chapter.

Daniel 11:2-4
And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.

4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those

Kings of Persia come against the realm of Greece, and then a "mighty king" stands up and rules with "great dominion." But his kingdom doesn't go to his offspring but is divided into four.

This king was Alexander The Great, marking the start of Daniel 11's prophecy. Alexander had no offspring and so his kingdom was divided into four territories.

The next verses detail years and years of political and military intrigue between the empires north and south of the Holy Land, with the names "KoN" and "KoS" being references for whoever is ruling the northern or southern empires that the Holy Land is found between, regardless of the name of the empire throughout time. For example:

- The daughter of the KoS was Cleopatra of ptolemaic empire (egypt) who married Antiochus VIII of selucid empire (syria), the KoN. This fulfills verse 6.

Time passes...

- One of her descendant (Cleopatra Celine) is taken into italy as the Roman empire emerges, the new KoN, fulfilling verse 7.

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Chapter 11 continues with this intrigue back and forth between the rulers of the north and south from the Roman empire through its fights with the barbarian tribes eventually through to the Papacy taking over as KoN (still Rome) and The Islamic Caliphate taking over as KoS, until we get to the last passage that says...


Daniel 11:45
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.


685-688AD the Dome of the Rock was constructed. Its structure is ROMAN (north) architecture, even though it was commissioned by Islamic Caliphate (south). And it is a...

- tabernacle

- between the black sea and Mediterranean sea

- on the temple mount, the holy mountain

This marks the end of Chapter 11. So if we double-back both in human history (from the construction of the Dome) and through these verses we can confirm that the KoN in verses 36-38 is the Holy Roman Empire (papacy).

Daniel 11:36-38
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things


The seat of Holy Roman Empire:

- magnified himself above all gods calling himself God in the flesh, with supreme temporal powers.

- the god of his fathers that he no longer regarded were the geeco-roman gods of paganism.

- it is also policy not to marry women, but to live a celibate life.

- the Papacy renamed Cybele, the god of fortresses, into Mary the queen of heaven. Kings have given jewels and riches as offerings to the queen of heaven.

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The prophecy then continues into chapter 12 where we're told Michael stands up and the time of trouble for Daniel's people begins for a time, times and half time after that tabernacle is constructed on the glorious mountain between the seas.

So again the Dome was constructed around 685-688 AD...

685-688 AD + 1260 years = 1945-1948

The man in linen (who I believe is the preincarnate Messiah) gives the timing...

"...from the time the daily sacrifice is taken away until the AoD is 1290 days..."


The daily was first taken away in 606 BC during Daniel's lifetime...

606 BC + 1290 years = 685 AD, matching when Dome of Rock was constructed. The Man in linen then says...


".Blessed are those who reach 1335 days..."


685-688 AD + 1335 years = 2020-2023

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So from my study of the text the "King" described in Daniel 11:37 is an office/empire not a single man, and that office/empire has been here the whole time.
 

GraceAndTruth

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#50
Daniel 11

Persia – 3 more kings will arise, then the 4th becomes richer than the all the previous 3.

Cambyses in Pseudo-Smerdis

Darius 1 (the great) in Hystaspes

Xerxes (known in the book of Esther as Ahasuerus)

CYRUS, whose riches enabled him to conquer Babylon
 

Truth7t7

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#51
Those who claim Rome rules over the kings of the earth can not explain one thing.

If the ten kings hate the whore as scripture shows, and they give thier power to the beast as it is written, then why does the beast ivade Jerusalem and kill the witnesses there and does not attack Rome?
If the whore were Rome, would the beast not attack Rome and kill its occupants?
100% correct, the Beast and world armies are focused on Jerusalem, it is surrounded by armies not Rome.

Yes the (Two Witnesses) lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem, not Rome.
 

Truth7t7

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The king of the north is king of the north, not Jerusalem. Just because he moves the tabernacle of his palace(embassy) to Jerusalem does not mean he will reside there nor does it mean he is Hebrew.
The scripture clearly teaches the future Antichrist of Daniel will be a Jew, read it again.

The Scripture below in Daniel 11:37 shows this future human man will not regard (The God Of His Fathers)

His fathers worshipped the true Hebrew (God), this future human man will be a Hebrew/Jew in decent.

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
 

Truth7t7

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#53
So ya think there will be a re-emerging of the Greek empire that will again be divided into 4 similar to the fall of Alexander the great?
Your response has absolutely nothing to do with the facts below.

The Scripture below in Daniel 11:37 shows this future human man will not regard (The God Of His Fathers)

His fathers worshipped the true Hebrew (God), this future human man will be a Hebrew/Jew in decent.

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
 

Truth7t7

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Daniel 11:45
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

685-688AD the Dome of the Rock was constructed. Its structure is ROMAN (north) architecture, even though it was commissioned by Islamic Caliphate (south). And it is a...
- tabernacle
- between the black sea and Mediterranean sea
(Seas) in Daniel 11:45 represents (People) not literal oceans of water.

Isaiah 17:12-13KJV
12 Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!
13 The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.

Revelation 17:15KJV
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
 

Truth7t7

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The seat of Holy Roman Empire:

- magnified himself above all gods calling himself God in the flesh, with supreme temporal powers.

- the god of his fathers that he no longer regarded were the geeco-roman gods of paganism.
Your claim is in error, the future Antichrist of Daniel will not worship (The God of His Fathers) Capital (G) the true Hebrew "G"od, not some false pagan Roman god as you claim.

The Scripture below in Daniel 11:37 shows this future human man will not regard (The God Of His Fathers)

His fathers worshipped the true Hebrew (God), this future human man will be a Hebrew/Jew in decent.

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
 
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Your response has absolutely nothing to do with the facts below.

The Scripture below in Daniel 11:37 shows this future human man will not regard (The God Of His Fathers)

His fathers worshipped the true Hebrew (God), this future human man will be a Hebrew/Jew in decent.

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
There are verses before that. It's one whole vision, and the sum of all parts must be considered in order to rightly understand.
 

Shilohsfoal

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#58
The scripture clearly teaches the future Antichrist of Daniel will be a Jew, read it again.

The Scripture below in Daniel 11:37 shows this future human man will not regard (The God Of His Fathers)

His fathers worshipped the true Hebrew (God), this future human man will be a Hebrew/Jew in decent.

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
So you believe Gentiles can not worship the true God? That's really sad.
Ive seen many presidents who say they worship the one true God and they may have. They were Gentiles and not jews.
I guess you would say they lied.
Now we have one who says he's a Christian but it's obvious he worships himself. He has claimed to be the chosen one. He has said he has great and unmatched wisdom.
I've never seen any man worship himself as much as this one.
 

Dino246

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Your claim is in error, the future Antichrist of Daniel will not worship (The God of His Fathers) Capital (G) the true Hebrew "G"od, not some false pagan Roman god as you claim.

The Scripture below in Daniel 11:37 shows this future human man will not regard (The God Of His Fathers)

His fathers worshipped the true Hebrew (God), this future human man will be a Hebrew/Jew in decent.

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
Already addressed. Repeating your assertion without addressing the challenges to it is intellectually dishonest.
 

Truth7t7

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So you believe Gentiles can not worship the true God? That's really sad.
Ive seen many presidents who say they worship the one true God and they may have. They were Gentiles and not jews.
I guess you would say they lied.
Now we have one who says he's a Christian but it's obvious he worships himself. He has claimed to be the chosen one. He has said he has great and unmatched wisdom.
I've never seen any man worship himself as much as this one.
Your response has absolutely nothing to do with the claims in the opinion, the future Antichrist of Daniel 11:37 will be a Jew/Hebrew in decent.

The Scripture below in Daniel 11:37 shows this future human man will not regard (The God Of His Fathers)

His fathers worshipped the true Hebrew (God), this future human man will be a Hebrew/Jew in decent.

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.