There Will Be No Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Jesus Dissolves It By Fire!
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I am studying eschatology but am new to the study. I am definitely finding that along with many other things, the evangelical heterodoxy has taught me wrong. I have grown rather frustrated with all the wrong ideas that I have been taught, and they are still teaching this stuff. I find it difficult not to be angry about it. They have made a mockery of the Holy things God gave us, and a fool of lost souls. Not bringing them to God but a god of their own making.
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You said it well, truth!
Duelist, the false teaching of a future Millennium on earth, has a physical Jesus, taking a physical throne on earth in Jerusalem, who's that gonna be?
The future Man Of Sin/Antichrist, Beware!
This false teaching has the world prepared to receive this future man with open arms, Messiah to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, starting a Millennial Kingdom on earth.
The Gate to Prophecy :: Dr. David R. Reagan
by RR@admin2 Category:David Reagan, General Articles, Uncategorized
An Exciting Vision
I have a vision of what that glorious day will be like. It is related to the Lord’s First Coming. I believe Jesus is going to replay His triumphal entry into Jerusalem when He returns.
When He came the first time, Jesus rode a donkey from the Mount of Olives down into the Kidron Valley and up to the Eastern Gate where He entered the Temple Mount for His last days of teaching. As He made that ride, the Valley of Kidron was filled with thousands of admirers who had heard about the resurrection of Lazarus. They waved palm branches and chanted, “Hosanna to the Son of David!” Within a few days that same fickle crowd was shouting, “Crucify Him!”
We are told in Revelation 19 that when Jesus returns He will come as a victorious military conqueror, riding through the air on a supernatural white horse. In Isaiah 61 we are told that He will come from the east, and in Zechariah 14 we are told that he will touch ground on the Mount of Olives.
Revelation 19:14 says that all the Redeemed will come with the Lord. Think of it! You and I will be there to witness the Lord’s return. Zechariah 14 says He will speak a word that will supernaturally destroy the Anti-Christ and his forces.
Then, I believe we will witness a replay of the Lord’s triumphant entry into Jerusalem. With angels hovering above and millions of the Redeemed filling the Kidron Valley, Jesus will ride up to the Eastern Gate on His white horse, and as He approaches the Gate, it will blow open. He will then enter the City of David, and to the triumphant shouts of “Hosanna to the Son of David,” He will be crowned the Kings of kings and the Lord of lords.
Duelist, the false teaching of a future Millennium on earth, has a physical Jesus, taking a physical throne on earth in Jerusalem, who's that gonna be?
The future Man Of Sin/Antichrist, Beware!
This false teaching has the world prepared to receive this future man with open arms, Messiah to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, starting a Millennial Kingdom on earth.
The Gate to Prophecy :: Dr. David R. Reagan
by RR@admin2 Category:David Reagan, General Articles, Uncategorized
An Exciting Vision
I have a vision of what that glorious day will be like. It is related to the Lord’s First Coming. I believe Jesus is going to replay His triumphal entry into Jerusalem when He returns.
When He came the first time, Jesus rode a donkey from the Mount of Olives down into the Kidron Valley and up to the Eastern Gate where He entered the Temple Mount for His last days of teaching. As He made that ride, the Valley of Kidron was filled with thousands of admirers who had heard about the resurrection of Lazarus. They waved palm branches and chanted, “Hosanna to the Son of David!” Within a few days that same fickle crowd was shouting, “Crucify Him!”
We are told in Revelation 19 that when Jesus returns He will come as a victorious military conqueror, riding through the air on a supernatural white horse. In Isaiah 61 we are told that He will come from the east, and in Zechariah 14 we are told that he will touch ground on the Mount of Olives.
Revelation 19:14 says that all the Redeemed will come with the Lord. Think of it! You and I will be there to witness the Lord’s return. Zechariah 14 says He will speak a word that will supernaturally destroy the Anti-Christ and his forces.
Then, I believe we will witness a replay of the Lord’s triumphant entry into Jerusalem. With angels hovering above and millions of the Redeemed filling the Kidron Valley, Jesus will ride up to the Eastern Gate on His white horse, and as He approaches the Gate, it will blow open. He will then enter the City of David, and to the triumphant shouts of “Hosanna to the Son of David,” He will be crowned the Kings of kings and the Lord of lords.
Consider (when you read what Peter wrote in 2Pet3:10-12 [noting the word for "dissolved" G3809 used 3 times in those 3 verses]) that one should look back at BOTH CHPTS of Isaiah 34-35 (noting Peter's use of 34:4), to determine just what he is referencing.
Read both of those chapters. = )
Notice also the OT use of the word " *dissolved [H4127]" (in the kjv) like in Psalm 75:3, but another version translates it like this:
"When the earth and all its dwellers quake [others have it as 'melt,' or 'faint' - H4127], it is I who bear up its pillars. Selah"
https://biblehub.com/text/psalms/75-3.htm
*Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
consume, dissolve, be fainthearted, melt away, make soft
A primitive root; to melt, i.e. Literally (to soften, flow down, disappear), or figuratively (to fear, faint) -- consume, dissolve, (be) faint(-hearted), melt (away), make soft.
Read both of those chapters. = )
Notice also the OT use of the word " *dissolved [H4127]" (in the kjv) like in Psalm 75:3, but another version translates it like this:
"When the earth and all its dwellers quake [others have it as 'melt,' or 'faint' - H4127], it is I who bear up its pillars. Selah"
https://biblehub.com/text/psalms/75-3.htm
*Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
consume, dissolve, be fainthearted, melt away, make soft
A primitive root; to melt, i.e. Literally (to soften, flow down, disappear), or figuratively (to fear, faint) -- consume, dissolve, (be) faint(-hearted), melt (away), make soft.
This earth only gets dissolved at the end of the 1000 years reign of Christ Yeshua on this earth. The dissolving of this earth follows the battle of Gog and Magog, at the end of Christ Yeshua's 1000 years reign of earth, while Satan was bounded, before released for the battle of Gog and Magog.
Sodom and Gomorrah (fire raining down) -> Great Tribulation -> Rapture at next and final coming of Christ Yeshua (fire raining down) -> First Resurrection of saints, 1000 Years reign of Christ Yeshua on this earth, Satan bounded -> Satan released for battle of Gog and Magog -> Satan cast in bottomless pit with beast and false prophet of the Great Tribulation -> All the dead called to judgement, Dissolving of this earth and heaven -> The lost cast in the eternal lake of fire -> The redeemed living with God and Christ Yeshua on the new earth with the new heaven
When fire rained down on Sodom and Gomorrah, the earth did not get dissolved. The earth only gets dissolved at the end of the 1000 years' reign of Christ on this earth, which concludes in the battle of Gog and Magog.
Revelation 20 (ESV)
7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
Revelation 21 (ESV)
1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
Only at the start of Revelation 21, this earth passes away.
Sodom and Gomorrah (fire raining down) -> Great Tribulation -> Rapture at next and final coming of Christ Yeshua (fire raining down) -> First Resurrection of saints, 1000 Years reign of Christ Yeshua on this earth, Satan bounded -> Satan released for battle of Gog and Magog -> Satan cast in bottomless pit with beast and false prophet of the Great Tribulation -> All the dead called to judgement, Dissolving of this earth and heaven -> The lost cast in the eternal lake of fire -> The redeemed living with God and Christ Yeshua on the new earth with the new heaven
When fire rained down on Sodom and Gomorrah, the earth did not get dissolved. The earth only gets dissolved at the end of the 1000 years' reign of Christ on this earth, which concludes in the battle of Gog and Magog.
Revelation 20 (ESV)
7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
Revelation 21 (ESV)
1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
Only at the start of Revelation 21, this earth passes away.
Read the text of Revelation 20, and the first verse of Revelation 21 choronological without any presuppositions. Judgement follows your fire, read Revelation 20:12, again some fire rains down, read Revelation 20:9, at the end of the Battle of Gog and Magog after Christ Yeshua's Millenium reign on this earth, read Revelation 20:4:
The final judgement follows the battle of Gog and Magog, and the battle of Gog and Magog follows Christ Yeshua's 1000 years reign on this earth, thus judgement of all, the dissolvement of this heaven and earth and the coming of God the Father to us with the new Jerusalem and the new heaven and earth, follows Christ Yeshua's 1000 years reign on this earth (with those who enjoyed the first resurrection, not all Christians enjoy the first resurrection, only those who were beheaded for their testimony of Christ Yeshua, and those who did not take the mark of the beast during the great tribulation). You have to read you bible without your presuppositions, then it becomes clear. As nobody previously explained it to me clearly (I did not even know what this so called "Millenium" was, until I read in Revelations 20 about the 1000 years, and realised that this must be what everybody is referring to as the Millenium), the straight forward order of things only dawned on me this last week, when I open myself up to the truth of what's in the scriptures, and to that alone. Christ Yeshua's next and final coming happens: Post-tribulation (Matthew 24), and Pre-Millenium (Revelations 20), that is classical Millenialism, the way the church fathers read the text in its simplicity, before everybody tried to apply world history, and their interpretations of historical world events to the text:
Revelation 20 (ESV)
4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
Revelation 21 (ESV)
1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
The final judgement follows the battle of Gog and Magog, and the battle of Gog and Magog follows Christ Yeshua's 1000 years reign on this earth, thus judgement of all, the dissolvement of this heaven and earth and the coming of God the Father to us with the new Jerusalem and the new heaven and earth, follows Christ Yeshua's 1000 years reign on this earth (with those who enjoyed the first resurrection, not all Christians enjoy the first resurrection, only those who were beheaded for their testimony of Christ Yeshua, and those who did not take the mark of the beast during the great tribulation). You have to read you bible without your presuppositions, then it becomes clear. As nobody previously explained it to me clearly (I did not even know what this so called "Millenium" was, until I read in Revelations 20 about the 1000 years, and realised that this must be what everybody is referring to as the Millenium), the straight forward order of things only dawned on me this last week, when I open myself up to the truth of what's in the scriptures, and to that alone. Christ Yeshua's next and final coming happens: Post-tribulation (Matthew 24), and Pre-Millenium (Revelations 20), that is classical Millenialism, the way the church fathers read the text in its simplicity, before everybody tried to apply world history, and their interpretations of historical world events to the text:
Revelation 20 (ESV)
4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
Revelation 21 (ESV)
1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
The book Revelation isnt in chronological order as you claim, its parallel teachings of the same events
Below in Rev 16:15-17 you see the very same battle as seen in Revelation 20:7-9
You will closely note in Rev 16:17 (It Is Done) this is the end of the world, same end of the world seen in Rev 20:9, and Rev 11:15
Revelation 16:15-17KJV
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
The 7th vial above, and 7th Angel/Trump below are parallel teachings of the same event, the end of this world.
Revelation 11:15KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Below in Rev 16:15-17 you see the very same battle as seen in Revelation 20:7-9
You will closely note in Rev 16:17 (It Is Done) this is the end of the world, same end of the world seen in Rev 20:9, and Rev 11:15
Revelation 16:15-17KJV
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
The 7th vial above, and 7th Angel/Trump below are parallel teachings of the same event, the end of this world.
Revelation 11:15KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Do not reorder scripture, based on your own pre-suppositions, let the text speak for itself. If you do not let the text lead you logically, how did you come to your pre-supposed conclusions?:
We are discussing one chapter in Revelation, not the book, and we can even look to one verse in isolation, to find the order of events (see Revelation 20:4). The 4 "then"'s in Revelation 20, follows each other consecutively, just as the 10 "then"'s of Matthew 24. If you want to take the "then" event out of the order presented, you should have some sound scriptural evidence to back up your twisting of God's orderly word.
Is this one verse, also not in logical, chronological order, or should we also be shuffling it around (1st the great tribulation on this earth, then 2nd the 1000 years reign on this earth with Christ)?:
Revelation 20 (ESV)
4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those (1: ) who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and (2: ) reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
We are discussing one chapter in Revelation, not the book, and we can even look to one verse in isolation, to find the order of events (see Revelation 20:4). The 4 "then"'s in Revelation 20, follows each other consecutively, just as the 10 "then"'s of Matthew 24. If you want to take the "then" event out of the order presented, you should have some sound scriptural evidence to back up your twisting of God's orderly word.
Is this one verse, also not in logical, chronological order, or should we also be shuffling it around (1st the great tribulation on this earth, then 2nd the 1000 years reign on this earth with Christ)?:
Revelation 20 (ESV)
4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those (1: ) who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and (2: ) reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
We will disagree, the text does speak for itself.
The battles seen in Revelation Chapters 9-16-19-20 is the very same final battle that is in parallel teachings.
Revelation 20:1-6 dosent represent a literal kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present, its 100% in the Lords spiritual realm, no earthly kingdom or living humans on earth are seen, (A Fairy Tale Teaching, In Make Believe)
The battles seen in Revelation Chapters 9-16-19-20 is the very same final battle that is in parallel teachings.
Revelation 20:1-6 dosent represent a literal kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present, its 100% in the Lords spiritual realm, no earthly kingdom or living humans on earth are seen, (A Fairy Tale Teaching, In Make Believe)
We will disagree, the text does speak for itself.
The battles seen in Revelation Chapters 9-16-19-20 is the very same final battle that is in parallel teachings.
Revelation 20:1-6 dosent represent a literal kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present, its 100% in the Lords spiritual realm, no earthly kingdom or living humans on earth are seen, (A Fairy Tale Teaching, In Make Believe)
The battles seen in Revelation Chapters 9-16-19-20 is the very same final battle that is in parallel teachings.
Revelation 20:1-6 dosent represent a literal kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present, its 100% in the Lords spiritual realm, no earthly kingdom or living humans on earth are seen, (A Fairy Tale Teaching, In Make Believe)
The church fathers taught the correct scriptural return of Christ Yeshua, as Post-Tribulation, Pre-millenium, ie classical millenialism. Since then it has through the ages been twisted by many, who read the scriptures for what they want it to say. Many believe in nunc-Milleniumism, or amilleniunism - it is not scriptural however, as the battle of Gog and Magog is on this earth, after the 1000 years.
Revelation 20 (ESV)
4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 20 (ESV)
4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.