Truckers say they're going to take America back on November 29th

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Smoke

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They shouldn't have to. People should be able to trust election results. There is no way 1% Joe and 2% Kammy got more votes than the first black president. Didn't happen! If you're going to steal an election, be smart enough to hide it. smh It would be hilarious if it wasn't so dire.
1.) More eligible voters now than in 2008 and 2012.
2.) We had mail in ballots. Trump indirectly discouraged mail-in-voting and directly encouraged his supporters to vote in person. Mail-in ballots would garner a higher percentage of the voting pool than a regular voting season.
3.) More people voting against Trump than voting because they love Biden.

You're looking at the wrong variables to come to the conclusion it was rigged. The election may have very well have been rigged, but it's not because more people voted for Biden than Obama. More people would have voted for Biden regardless when we put this election into perspective/context.
 
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EleventhHour

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I don't always agree but I appreciate you sister. I think you are a very intelligent and learned person. And I agree you should look at both sides. But when you see a clear agenda it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know where the story ends. The author has an agenda, and that's fine. But it has no bearing on Christian faith, more directly being a born again Christian. Certainly not a book to recommend.

This is my view, both sides need to tone down the rhetoric and "opinion pieces" and stick to corroborated, substantiated evidence and then let the courts figure it out.

All I see is people being incited on both sides and it is not good.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I always check the author before I read a book. Here's a person we as Christians should read according to FC.

In 2009 she published The Means of Reproduction: Sex, Power, and the Future of the World (2009),[7] which is based on her own reporting about the state of women's reproductive rights across several continents,[4] and explores what she terms the "international battle over reproductive rights".[8]

Soooo she supports the killing of innocent unborn children for starters.

She's an opinion columnist. And here is one of those "opinions".

In 2012, Goldberg criticized a column written by Ann Romney, wife of politician and businessman Mitt Romney, in USA Today; Romney wrote that there was "no crown more glorious" than the "crown of motherhood." Goldberg responded that such phrases reminded her of "pronatalist propaganda of World War II-era totalitarian regimes.

She didn't apologize for it either. Here's more about this author we as Christians are suppose to read...

In 2013, Goldberg sympathized with racist tweet by Justine Sacco, fired for tweeting "Going to Africa. Hope I don’t get AIDS. Just kidding! I’m white” in which Goldberg sympathized "...a very bad joke about racism."[12] In 2014, Goldberg was criticized by Jos Truitt in the Columbia Journalism Review for one-sided coverage in a piece she wrote about transgenderism, using discredited[13] work of Dr. Raymond Blanchard's fabricated "autogynephilia".[14] In the CJR article, Goldberg was accused of violating journalism ethics of inaccuracy in work, not verifying information, eluding context via Serano publishing emails and referencing works discrediting her foundational basis against Trans, even accused of stereotyping via the “transgender’ism’” verbiage.

And her crowning moment...

"Goldberg called for violence amongst young people on a campus saying "do your part and spit at [pro-lifers]. Kick them in the head."

And the cherry on top??

Goldberg endorsed Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton in the run-up for the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[

Now why in the world would you ever think this woman would be hostile to the Christian faith?:rolleyes:

There, I saved you buying a useless book by a rabid feminist with an agenda. ;)
Thank you and thank God I didn't torture my brain. My discernment proved to be true. Probably another anti American. They usually are if you are trying to push the idea that American government should be completely secular. Calling all atheists please rise up and take your oath of office. I swear to self, Darwin and Marx to uphold the duties of this position. My morals are more important than the religious. My secular opinion is more supreme.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I know all about that and we are not engaging in a formal debate. You appealed to authority as well and do all the time.
And I provide the info plus explain it. Much different than saying this is true because they said so. How are we to discuss that? You cannot.
 

Roughsoul1991

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EleventhHour

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Let the games continue over and over...
 

Dude653

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If you read it then share. I do not have time to read such nonsense. I'm well informed on the history of this country and originality. This secular nonsense is not what our founders built. Just read George Washington's farewell address to see how important religion is.
You couldn't be more wrong. Our country was intended to be a secular Nation
If I wanted a theocracy I would move to Saudi Arabia
 

Roughsoul1991

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You couldn't be more wrong. Our country was intended to be a secular Nation
If I wanted a theocracy I would move to Saudi Arabia
No one is speaking of a theocracy.

Let me ask you a question. Why are Moses plus 22 other statues sit over the legislative branch of the House Chamber?

Moses (c. 1350-1250 B.C.) Hebrew prophet and lawgiver. Transformed a wandering people into a nation; received the Ten Commandments. The 23 marble relief portraits over the gallery doors of the House Chamber in the U.S. Capitol depict historical figures noted for their work in establishing the principles that underlie American law.

Moses being the center who is the only statue facing forward. All others look to Moses while Moses looks directly at the Speakers podium to remind the speaker of our foundation.

The ten commandments were once found in courthouses and public schools.

The founding father of American education, Noah Webster, understood the importance of imparting this truth to American youth. In the Preface to his History of the United States (first published in 1832) he wrote:
The brief exposition of the constitution of the United States, will unfold to young persons the principles of republican government; and it is the sincere desire of the writer that our citizens should early understand that the genuine source of correct republican principles is the Bible, particularly the New Testament or the Christian religion.
I can say with all confidence I am not wrong. And we are still not talking about a theocracy. We are simply talking about a country built on Christianity but not a government that forces worship on it's people.
 

Dude653

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No one is speaking of a theocracy.

Let me ask you a question. Why are Moses plus 22 other statues sit over the legislative branch of the House Chamber?

Moses (c. 1350-1250 B.C.) Hebrew prophet and lawgiver. Transformed a wandering people into a nation; received the Ten Commandments. The 23 marble relief portraits over the gallery doors of the House Chamber in the U.S. Capitol depict historical figures noted for their work in establishing the principles that underlie American law.

Moses being the center who is the only statue facing forward. All others look to Moses while Moses looks directly at the Speakers podium to remind the speaker of our foundation.

The ten commandments were once found in courthouses and public schools.

The founding father of American education, Noah Webster, understood the importance of imparting this truth to American youth. In the Preface to his History of the United States (first published in 1832) he wrote:
The brief exposition of the constitution of the United States, will unfold to young persons the principles of republican government; and it is the sincere desire of the writer that our citizens should early understand that the genuine source of correct republican principles is the Bible, particularly the New Testament or the Christian religion.
I can say with all confidence I am not wrong. And we are still not talking about a theocracy. We are simply talking about a country built on Christianity but not a government that forces worship on it's people.
why are religious statues on State property? I don't know because they're not supposed to be
And yeah the ten commandments used to be displaying on state property but it was deemed unconstitutional
 

Dude653

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It's a common misconception that our country was founded on judeo-christian principles
It wasn't
Most of our founding fathers were deists
but if you want to pass laws on biblical principle does that mean we get to bring back slavery?
 

Roughsoul1991

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why are religious statues on State property? I don't know because they're not supposed to be
And yeah the ten commandments used to be displaying on state property but it was deemed unconstitutional
I don't know
It is obvious you do not know as to why I have to explain it to you.

Do you understand it has never been unconstitutional. That has only been a recent argument in the last century as the country grew more secular starting in the early 1900s. Basically ignoring the history between 1776 up unto the 1900s.

It is actually unconstitutional to rule against religious expression even in government or state. It is a civil rights issue.
 

Kojikun

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I dont support Biden in anyway, but voicing total support for Trump and ignoring all the things hes done wrong over the past few years, I cant help but think is just as reckless. I've never seen him take ownership or admit his mistakes, yet people tout him like hes a messiah (I read Cbnnews everyday they've never pointed out his flaws or said "Hey that's not very Christ like") they ignore it all and than talk trash about the Dems and claim the end is nigh. Politicisation of Christianity is full of issues.
 
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I dont support Biden in anyway, but voicing total support for Trump and ignoring all the things hes done wrong over the past few years, I cant help but think is just as reckless. I've never seen him take ownership or admit his mistakes, yet people tout him like hes a messiah (I read Cbnnews everyday they've never pointed out his flaws or said "Hey that's not very Christ like") they ignore it all and than talk trash about the Dems and claim the end is nigh. Politicisation of Christianity is full of issues.
Hi Koji ! For your consideration;

Hollyweird hates Trump.
The media hates Trump.
Big Tech hates Trump.
The Globalists hate Trump.
MS13 hates Trump.
Antifa & Ted Wheeler hate Trump.
The gov’t bureaucracy hates Trump.
AOC & Ilhan Omer (wow! marrying your own brother?!) hate Trump.
Academia hates Trump. (gotta luv those Gender/Quear/Womyn ‘studies’..)
The political establishment (both sides) hate Trump.
The international left hates Trump.
Critical Race Theory hates Trump.
Child traffickers hate Trump.
Bill’s wife hates Trump.
China hates Trump.
S.C. packers hate Trump.

Now when you're 'hated' this much doesn't that tell you something...?

As to Trumps 'mistakes' I'd wager his accomplishments outweigh them significantly.
 
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EleventhHour

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He was a free mason. Was. He spoke about it in past tense as President and the Free Masons was actually more Biblical at that time but just as any organization they secularized over time. It was once a much different organization than today. But even then you have high ranking members who know more while members who are just associated but not high ranking.

https://crossexamined.org/george-washington-christian-freemason/

Even he himself stop attending meeting and in one letter said this below.

So far as I am acquainted with the principles & Doctrines of Free Masonry, I conceive it to be founded in benevolence and to be exercised only for the good of mankind. If it has been a Cloak to promote improper or nefarious objects, it is a melancholly proof that in unworthy hands, the best institutions may be made use of to promote the worst designs.

He viewed Masonry as an institution which had been founded with very noble goals but which had subsequently been co-opted and used for “nefarious” purposes.

https://thefederalistpapers.org/founders/washington/was-george-washington-really-a-devout-mason

In another letter dated in 1798 George Washington was responding to a gift given to him about a book warning of the Illuminati and Freemasonry. Speaking of his connection to the Free Masons. He said,

"The fact is, I preside over none, nor have I been in one more than once or twice, within the last thirty years."
Perhaps consult corroborated original source material.
I cannot link journal articles that need to be accessed through a portal.
so you can believe me or not.

In 1793 he was in Masonic garb.
He died in 1799


You have no evidence he ever refuted Free Masonry.
Nor have you shown that Freemasonry was different then.

This is what happens when you only read material that confirms your bias.
 

Kojikun

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Hi Koji ! For your consideration;

Hollyweird hates Trump.
The media hates Trump.
Big Tech hates Trump.
The Globalists hate Trump.
MS13 hates Trump.
Antifa & Ted Wheeler hate Trump.
The gov’t bureaucracy hates Trump.
AOC & Ilhan Omer (wow! marrying your own brother?!) hate Trump.
Academia hates Trump. (gotta luv those Gender/Quear/Womyn ‘studies’..)
The political establishment (both sides) hate Trump.
The international left hates Trump.
Critical Race Theory hates Trump.
Child traffickers hate Trump.
Bill’s wife hates Trump.
China hates Trump.
S.C. packers hate Trump.

Now when you're 'hated' this much doesn't that tell you something...?

As to Trumps 'mistakes' I'd wager his accomplishments outweigh them significantly.
I dont think people hating him means hes a good respectable president or a responsible adult in anyway. Alot of people hate him because hes very difficult to get along with. Anything he did that was good will probably be reversed in a new administration. I also have a feeling Pence was behind a lot
Tbh I would vote for Pence as he seems far mor level headed.
 

Dude653

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It is obvious you do not know as to why I have to explain it to you.

Do you understand it has never been unconstitutional. That has only been a recent argument in the last century as the country grew more secular starting in the early 1900s. Basically ignoring the history between 1776 up unto the 1900s.

It is actually unconstitutional to rule against religious expression even in government or state. It is a civil rights issue.
Yes funny how a large percentage of the population only cares about civil rights when it benefits them
why is there always a collective poop storm when a Muslim gets appointed to a government position or a judge
My problem is that a lot of people seem to think ONLY Christians are supposed to have civil rights
Remember the massive poopy fit everyone had when the satanic cable wanted their monument
Or when supreme Court ruled that same-sex marriage is a constitutional right?
 
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I dont think people hating him means hes a good respectable president or a responsible adult in anyway. Alot of people hate him because hes very difficult to get along with. Anything he did that was good will probably be reversed in a new administration. I also have a feeling Pence was behind a lot
Tbh I would vote for Pence as he seems far mor level headed.
I don’t think he’s 1/10th as ‘difficult’ as portrayed - it’s the unrelenting media narrative for 4 solid years.
95 % of the media truly hates him and have lied and distorted about everything he’s done - I’ve never seen anything like it.

If the current electoral fraud succeeds – it’s over. Fair and balanced elections will be a thing of the past – the media, the left and Big Tech will make certain of it. Trump despite his 'warts' is the only one standing in the way.
 

Kojikun

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I don’t think he’s 1/10th as ‘difficult’ as portrayed - it’s the unrelenting media narrative for 4 solid years.
95 % of the media truly hates him and have lied and distorted about everything he’s done - I’ve never seen anything like it.

If the current electoral fraud succeeds – it’s over. Fair and balanced elections will be a thing of the past – the media, the left and Big Tech will make certain of it. Trump is the only one standing in the way.
Yeah, so I've heard. Even so I dont get why he gets a free pass. The left thinks hes evil and the right thinks hes God. Perhaps we could use a middle ground. Unfortunately America is apparently to good to try any third party.
 

Dude653

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I don’t think he’s 1/10th as ‘difficult’ as portrayed - it’s the unrelenting media narrative for 4 solid years.
95 % of the media truly hates him and have lied and distorted about everything he’s done - I’ve never seen anything like it.

If the current electoral fraud succeeds – it’s over. Fair and balanced elections will be a thing of the past – the media, the left and Big Tech will make certain of it. Trump despite his 'warts' is the only one standing in the way.
There was no fraud. The cult of the great orange one just can't admit defeat
4 years of this buffoonery is enough
America has spoken