Will There Be A Third Temple Built In Jerusalem, (Blessed By God)?

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Truth7t7

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I am convinced from scripture that the 1000 year reign will be literal.
Scribe scripture clearly teaches its fire time when Jesus Christ is revealed, those that teach and believe in a future Millennium, dont want to acknowledge the fire, put it in a drawer and forget about it :)

Jesus Christ returns in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by (Fire)

Scribe, scripture teaches there wont be a earth left to have a Millennial on after Jesus Christ is revealed.

Luke 17:28-30KJV
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.



2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which , what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
 
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Scribe scripture clearly teaches its fire time when Jesus Christ is revealed, those that teach and believe in a future Millennium, dont want to acknowledge the fire, put it in a drawer and forget about it :)

Jesus Christ returns in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by (Fire)

Scribe, scripture teaches there wont be a earth left to have a Millennial on after Jesus Christ is revealed.

Luke 17:28-30KJV
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.



2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which , what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are
therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
All of these scriptures must be taken together to see the whole picture. Isolating one verse is bad hermeneutics, and could even be suspicious of an attempt to deceive.

Rev 20 and 21 reveal a number of details that explain more than other brief all encompassing verses in other books. Both are true.
A verse that mentions that the when Jesus comes again the world will be dissolved with fire does not contradict two chapters that give more detail about events that are included after the Return of Christ and before the final dissolving of the Earth and recreation of the New Earth.

That is how I and millions upon millions of others interpret these verses and we don't believe we are deceived but practicing good hermeneutics. I do give a fair hearing to other interpretations and I accept them when they are superior hermeneutics and reject them when they are not.

1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Satan Cast into the Lake of Fire

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Final Judgment

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

A New Heaven and a New Earth

1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away....



So it is a more natural and less strained interpretation to understand Revelation as showing a fulfilment of prophesy concerning a thousand year reign on earth after the judgments of the Tribulation and after the return of Christ and before the final dissolving of the planet in fire. It is still true that when Jesus returns the earth will be destroyed with fire if you can allow yourself to accept these additional details as well.

People who read Rev without human intervention will naturally understand Rev 20 and 21 this way. Therefore it is outrageous to accuse them of being deceived for doing so.

It is not unreasonable to suspect deception if someone changes these two chapters to not mean what they appear to mean at face value.
 

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All of these scriptures must be taken together to see the whole picture. Isolating one verse is bad hermeneutics, and could even be suspicious of an attempt to deceive.

Rev 20 and 21 reveal a number of details that explain more than other brief all encompassing verses in other books. Both are true.
A verse that mentions that the when Jesus comes again the world will be dissolved with fire does not contradict two chapters that give more detail about events that are included after the Return of Christ and before the final dissolving of the Earth and recreation of the New Earth.

That is how I and millions upon millions of others interpret these verses and we don't believe we are deceived but practicing good hermeneutics. I do give a fair hearing to other interpretations and I accept them when they are superior hermeneutics and reject them when they are not.

1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Satan Cast into the Lake of Fire

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Final Judgment

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

A New Heaven and a New Earth

1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away....



So it is a more natural and less strained interpretation to understand Revelation as showing a fulfilment of prophesy concerning a thousand year reign on earth after the judgments of the Tribulation and after the return of Christ and before the final dissolving of the planet in fire. It is still true that when Jesus returns the earth will be destroyed with fire if you can allow yourself to accept these additional details as well.

People who read Rev without human intervention will naturally understand Rev 20 and 21 this way. Therefore it is outrageous to accuse them of being deceived for doing so.

It is not unreasonable to suspect deception if someone changes these two chapters to not mean what they appear to mean at face value.
By all means, please explain what Luke 17:28-30 means below?

I see Jesus Christ revealed, and then fire and brimstone from heaven destroying the bad guys, did I miss something?

Many teach in error, that Jesus is revealed to start a Millennium, and the fire isnt mentioned?

Why do they hide the fire seen below?

Luke 17:28-30KJV
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 

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You will closely note I stated (Dont Be Deceived By Dispensationalism)

Your suggest that I personally called you deceived, this is (Fake News) trying to build a (False Narrative) to silence the opposition.

Its my opinion that the teachings of John N. Darby's dispensationalism, are false and deceptive, just as Preterism, Mormonism, Jehovahs Witnesses, are false deceptive teachings, I will continue to expose these false teachings.

Quote Truth7t7: You will also note (Dispensationalism) falsely teaches that the house of the Lord in Ezekiel 47:1-12 is a Temple to be built by mortal man upon this earth?

(Don't Be Deceived)
Equating different eschatological views with heretical cults is both irresponsible and ignorant. One can be a genuine Christian and at the same time, a dispensationalist or a preterist. One cannot be a genuine Christian, and at the same time, a Mormon or a JW.

Remember, you will be judged with the measure you use.
 

Truth7t7

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Equating different eschatological views with heretical cults is both irresponsible and ignorant. One can be a genuine Christian and at the same time, a dispensationalist or a preterist. One cannot be a genuine Christian, and at the same time, a Mormon or a JW.

Remember, you will be judged with the measure you use.
Dino my focus is on false
teaching, not salvation as you suggest

(Doctrinal False Teachings)

The doctrines in Preterism are false teachings

The doctrines in Dispensationalism are false teachings

The doctrines in Catholocism are false teachings

The doctrines in Mormonism are false teachings

The doctrines in Jehovahs Witnesses are false teachings

Romans 16:17KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

1 Timothy 4:1KJV
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
 

Dino246

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Dino my focus is on false
teaching, not salvation as you suggest

(Doctrinal False Teachings)

The doctrines in Preterism are false teachings

The doctrines in Dispensationalism are false teachings

The doctrines in Catholocism are false teachings

The doctrines in Mormonism are false teachings

The doctrines in Jehovahs Witnesses are false teachings

Romans 16:17KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

1 Timothy 4:1KJV
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
SOME OF the doctrines... not all of them. Catholicism teaches the doctrine of the virgin birth; you are effectively saying that the virgin birth is a false teaching.

By all means, present your view of things, with biblical evidence to support, but don't demonize those who disagree with you over secondary matters... and before you start to bleat, eschatology IS a secondary matter.
 

Truth7t7

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SOME OF the doctrines... not all of them. Catholicism teaches the doctrine of the virgin birth; you are effectively saying that the virgin birth is a false teaching.

By all means, present your view of things, with biblical evidence to support, but don't demonize those who disagree with you over secondary matters... and before you start to bleat, eschatology IS a secondary matter.
Dispensationalism Teaching That Jesus Christ Is Going To Return To This Earth, And Take A Throne Of David In Jerusalem Amongst Mortal Humans?

Preparing The Unaware For The Future Antichrist Is A Secondary Issue?

Jesus Christ Disagrees With You

Go Not Forth, Believe It Not!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 

Dino246

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Dispensationalism Teaching That Jesus Christ Is Going To Return To This Earth, And Take A Throne Of David In Jerusalem Amongst Mortal Humans?

Preparing The Unaware For The Future Antichrist Is A Secondary Issue?

Jesus Christ Disagrees With You

Go Not Forth, Believe It Not!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Yawn.

You really aren't getting this. I see no reason in trying to explain things to people who are demonstrably resistant to learning.
 

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Yes that is what the book of Hebrews is directed to, urging Israel not to go back to animal sacrifices when that temple is rebuilt.

That is why I always smile when I read Christians insisting on putting themselves in the audience that book is written to, when the book is called “Hebrews” 🤗
a rebuilt temple or the one that was still standing in Jerusalem when the epistle was written?

i do agree that the book really seems to have a theme of dissuading Jewish believers from returning to Judaism, with particular emphasis on the supremacy of Christ's priesthood. the most compelling understanding of the letter as an whole that i've heard is that it was written in the mid to later 60's AD to diaspora Christians who were being persuaded to return to Jerusalem & to the temple worship.

never really considered how apropos it would also be, were another temple to be built, and followers of Christ similarly enticed. interesting!
 
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a rebuilt temple or the one that was still standing in Jerusalem when the epistle was written?

i do agree that the book really seems to have a theme of dissuading Jewish believers from returning to Judaism, with particular emphasis on the supremacy of Christ's priesthood. the most compelling understanding of the letter as an whole that i've heard is that it was written in the mid to later 60's AD to diaspora Christians who were being persuaded to return to Jerusalem & to the temple worship.

never really considered how apropos it would also be, were another temple to be built, and followers of Christ similarly enticed. interesting!
When Hebrews was written, it was before AD 70 so that 2nd temple was still standing.

As I said, I believe there is a unique reason why Hebrews was the first book after Paul's letters to the Body of Christ.

If you believe the first half of the 7 year tribulation have Israel building a third temple, then it is obviously a divine arrangement by the Holy Spirit.

Accepting that, however, will make someone more willing to accept that the books after Hebrews, James and Peter and John would similarly also apply only to Israel during that time period.
 

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If you believe the first half of the 7 year tribulation have Israel building a third temple, then it is obviously a divine arrangement by the Holy Spirit.
Your Claim Above Is False

The scripture below clearly shows a future Temple built, and renewed animal sacrifice resumed?

No it wont be sanctified by God, but will be an Abomination before the Lord, and he will send (Delusion)

You will closely note that it appears Isaiah 66:4 and 2 Thess 2:11 is the very same delusion, sent to the wicked in receiving the future Man of Sin, The Antichrist?

Isaiah 66:1-4KJV
Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them
; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
 
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Your Claim Above Is False

The scripture below clearly shows a future Temple built, and renewed animal sacrifice resumed?

No it wont be sanctified by God, but will be an Abomination before the Lord, and he will send (Delusion)

You will closely note that it appears Isaiah 66:4 and 2 Thess 2:11 is the very same delusion, sent to the wicked in receiving the future Man of Sin, The Antichrist?

Isaiah 66:1-4KJV
Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them
; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
In the first place, I didn't say anything about the 3rd temple being sanctified by God. The divine arrangement is referring to the earlier paragraph that you deleted.

I said the book of Hebrews is written as instructions to Israel during the Tribulation, not to go back to temple sacrifices, which is what the 3rd temple will allow them to do.
 

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In the first place, I didn't say anything about the 3rd temple being sanctified by God. The divine arrangement is referring to the earlier paragraph that you deleted.

I said the book of Hebrews is written as instructions to Israel during the Tribulation, not to go back to temple sacrifices, which is what the 3rd temple will allow them to do.
I disagree, your statement is self explanatory, you interject your opinion that it's a divine arrangement

You believe in a 7 year tribulation and a future temple being built, correct me if I'm wrong?

Quote Guojing: If you believe the first half of the 7 year tribulation have Israel building a third temple, then it is obviously a divine arrangement by the Holy Spirit.
 
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I disagree, your statement is self explanatory, you interject your opinion that it's a divine arrangement

You believe in a 7 year tribulation and a future temple being built, correct me if I'm wrong?

Quote Guojing: If you believe the first half of the 7 year tribulation have Israel building a third temple, then it is obviously a divine arrangement by the Holy Spirit.
Strange, is there a reason why you do not quote the entire post, instead of just taking one paragraph out of context?

I like to give you the benefit of the doubt there, but are you trolling?
 

Truth7t7

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Strange, is there a reason why you do not quote the entire post, instead of just taking one paragraph out of context?

I like to give you the benefit of the doubt there, but are you trolling?
You didn't answer my question?

Do You Believe In A Future 7 Year Tribulation And A Rebuilt Temple?
 

Truth7t7

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There you have it, the rest of your post dosent take away from your statement below, you are showing direct support for a future temple that you believe in, and your opinion that it is inspired by the Holy Spirit, it's that simple.

Quote Guojing: If you believe the first half of the 7 year tribulation have Israel building a third temple, then it is obviously a divine arrangement by the Holy Spirit.
 
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There you have it, the rest of your post dosent take away from your statement below, you are showing direct support for a future temple that you believe in, and your opinion that it is inspired by the Holy Spirit, it's that simple.

Quote Guojing: If you believe the first half of the 7 year tribulation have Israel building a third temple, then it is obviously a divine arrangement by the Holy Spirit.
So if I tell you that I "believe" there will be an anti-christ that will emerge in those 7 years, you will then twist it to say "I support him"?
 

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So if I tell you that I "believe" there will be an anti-christ that will emerge in those 7 years, you will then twist it to say "I support him"?
Not true, there will be a future Antichrist, a literal human man, I believe there will be a future temple built, but it wont be blessed by the Holy Spirit.