Some things about the law that need explaining.

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Don’t need Greek when I’ve got the perfect and pure words of God in English.😉

What I believe about the old covenant is that the new one is much better because the law is given in our hearts. What I don't believe is that the new covenant cancelled the promises of good for us when God gave us the better covenant. The old covenant taught using physical commands to help them understand the spiritual, the new covenant speaks directly to our hearts so the old commands are obsolete.

I also believe the old testament is scipture and truth. I don't think it is right to criticize the Lord for giving commands that we are not obliged to keep with the new covenant, rather I think we are to learn from those commands. I also believe that our modern day church has labeled some of the commands obsolete that the Lord has not labeled osolete. However, I believe these are not important for our salvation, only that it would be to our good in our earthly living if we agreed with how the lord means scripture.

I am banking on that the Lord is with me as I study scripture, I cannot pretend to believe in such as criticizing the Lord's word. I believe in scripture, not the teaching that is only man teaching. I die to self every day, I live through Christ. 1 Corinthians 15 explains my beliefs better than I am doing.

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

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diathe¯ke¯
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

G1242
d?a??´??
diathe¯ke¯
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.

Same exact word and meaning. A Testament is exactly the same as a Covenant.

Heb_9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


1. Heb 9:15 Jesus "is the mediator of the new testament"
2. Heb 12:24 "Jesus the mediator of the new covenant"

True, God do bless us with physical blessings now and then.

But those are not a promise to us, not like Ephesians 1:3.

So you never wear blended cloth? You know, rayon, acrylic or spandex? Or a cotton blend? Because that is the law. And he who fails to keep one law, is condemned for breaking one law. That is why the OT commands are finished. Even the Decalogue (10 Commandments) is rarely mentioned in the OT. Just twice! I'm not say they are bad rules. I think they give us a good direction in what to do. But, we are not condemned by breaking one. Because the law is obsolete! Here is ALL of Hebrews 8. It says the same thing in the whole chapter. The Old Covenant is done, obsolete! The New Covenant is not just better, but, Superior!

"Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.

3 Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear." Hebrews 8:1-13

You are wrong! The Old Covenant was for Jews, and because even God's chosen people could not keep it, God always had his real plan - the incarnation and atonement! Verse 9 above notes it was a worthless covenant, because he knew before creation that the REAL PLAN was Jesus. - crucified for our sins. Sacrificed for all of us, not just the Jews. He had this plan long before he called the Jews. The only real function of the Jews was never to create a permanent covenant with the Jews, based on the law. The law only foreshadows what is to come - and that is Jesus!! And the OT is about a blood line, for Jesus! Jesus is the purpose to reading the OT. I read the Old Testament a lot. I look for Jesus there, and I find him all the time. You seem to read the Old Testament and get side-tracked with the Law, instead of Jesus.

The whole Bible is the Revelation of Jesus, not just the last book of the Bible. The unveiling starts in Genesis 3. It continues with prophecies that point to Jesus, and the ancient Israelites knew the Messiah was the focus, although they did not recognize him when he came, because they were also too busy following their Law, and not seeing he was right there.

You are never going to convince anyone you are right. I know you love Jesus, but this extra-Biblical revelation you have is causing you to teach heresy. Be careful! Being half right is dangerous. You undermine the sovereignty of God and Christ, when you continue to live by the Law. You are actually disobedient to the Word, and to God, by not re-examining why you are wrong, repenting of it, and going in the right way.

Good heavens to Bettsy, because this a symbol of not mixing with pagan ideas as given in the old testament, now I am ACCUSSED of using that to not allow myself to use blended fabrics, accused of denying the new covenant. Come on, it it beneath you to do that.

I read this in you post, and didn't bother with the rest, it is nonsense.

If I follow your logic, here is sozo.

Strong's G4982 - sōzō

The KJV translates Strong's G4982 in the following manner: save (93x), make whole (9x), heal (3x), be whole (2x), miscellaneous (3x).

to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction

1. one (from injury or peril)
   1. to save a suffering one (from perishing), i.e. one suffering from disease, to make well, heal, restore to health
   2. to preserve one who is in danger of destruction, to save or rescue
2. to save in the technical biblical sense
   1. negatively
      1. to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgment
      2. to save from the evils which obstruct the reception of the Messianic deliverance

Same exact word and meaning. Healing from physical diseases is exactly the same as being delivered from the penalties of the Messianic judgment

Well, in Scripture, covenants are made without one dying, but hebrews is clear about testaments. There is a clear distinction in scripture between the two.

it does. to save is to save -- the only difference is what peril, malady or doom one is being saved from, which is a difference in the indirect object of the verb, not a difference in the meaning of the word, or even in it's usage.
in the context of our faith, we talk about being 'saved' without mentioning the indirect object from which we are being saved because the meaning is implicit by our speaking of the faith.

This is like using the instruction book to co strict or put together a new toy. Then after the toy is made. We go back to the very beginning and keep reading the instructions on how to build the toy.
the problem is, the toy is never used, it never fulfills its intended purpose. Whcih is never worked out

the law (including the commands) were made to point Israel to their messiah, it was used to prepair them for when he arrived, the commands would show them their utter sinfulness, and the rest would show God and who is is and what he would do to save them from the curse of not obeying every word. Because all have sinned and fall short of that standard

sadly, instead israel took the commands, and though as many do today they were gods instructions on how to live righteously, the ceremonies and offerings because just more instruction in how to live, not the price that needed to be paid for their sinfulness. So when messiah came, they did not recognize him, because they took the law out of co text. Added a bunch more laws which made them feel even more superior, and ended up crucifying their messiah because the schoolmaster given to teach them how sinful they were, was changed to a schoolmaster on how to live righteously

it’s sad, people in the church today want to make the same mistake, they want to return to the commands as a means of learning how to live righteously instead of looking to a new and better covenant which truly leads to righteous living. Something no part of the law of Moses could do

paul called the ten commands, which were written on stone, by the hand of God himself, so radiant that Moses face shone, the ministry of death. Those commands cursed all, who recieved them, because as Moses later demanded. Cursed is the one who does not confirm and obey every word,

as James said, if a jew kept the whole law yet stumbled in one point, he was guilty, no hope, apart from the lamb of God

so why would you want to go back and not forward?

it does. to save is to save -- the only difference is what peril, malady or doom one is being saved from, which is a difference in the indirect object of the verb, not a difference in the meaning of the word, or even in it's usage.
in the context of our faith, we talk about being 'saved' without mentioning the indirect object from which we are being saved because the meaning is implicit by our speaking of the faith.

Heaven won't have a Jewish quarter. One flock, One Shepherd.

We all heard of Christians who were never healed.

My point is that just because both, salvation from hell and physical healing came from the same Greek word sozo, it will be silly to conclude that "both must therefore mean the same thing".

Some of us believe that Israel will be dwelling on the Earth, while the Body of Christ will be in Heaven, during the 1000 year millennial reign.

If I follow your logic, here is sozo.

Strong's G4982 - sōzō

The KJV translates Strong's G4982 in the following manner: save (93x), make whole (9x), heal (3x), be whole (2x), miscellaneous (3x).

to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction

1. one (from injury or peril)
   1. to save a suffering one (from perishing), i.e. one suffering from disease, to make well, heal, restore to health
   2. to preserve one who is in danger of destruction, to save or rescue
2. to save in the technical biblical sense
   1. negatively
      1. to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgment
      2. to save from the evils which obstruct the reception of the Messianic deliverance

Same exact word and meaning. Healing from physical diseases is exactly the same as being delivered from the penalties of the Messianic judgment

now you are making yourself sound like if the prosperity gospel isn't real, there is no salvation.

congratulations.

on the other hand, some of us believe Jesus Christ.