Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

Nope - not a chance...

Because, you are not at all interested in even considering anyone else's POV.

Every time you "answer" someone from a 'play your tape' mentality instead of discussing specific points that they have made in their posts, I have less-and-less of a desire to try to help you understand anything.

This type of "reactionary non-discussion" may be likened to a child who puts a finger in each ear and yells "la la la la la la la la la la" - indicating that they have no interest in hearing what you have to say.

It is a very immature stance to take in what should be a mature discussion.

I have nothing against you brother. And, I can appreciate some of the [other] things that you bring to the forums.

However, when it comes to eschatological discussion, you "come across" like a "brat child" who is not willing to "give and take" [ideas] in the discussion - i.e. - actually discuss ideas in specific detail.

And, I don't mean to insult you - I am only trying to get you to understand "what it is like on the receiving end"...

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You and some others on CC misinterpret the prophecy of the book of Revelation because you don't approach it correctly.

To obtain a proper interpretation of the prophecy of the book of Revelation, you MUST be able to "see what John saw" (and heard) FIRST. And THEN - you MUST interpret from the context of THAT. Trying to interpret the meaning of a passage directly from words and phrases in the verses themselves will not yield a correct result. The proper meaning can only be derived from the context of the 'picture' of what John saw (and heard).

I didn't think you would find the three items below, because they dont exist

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Everyone will be gathered together at once in the end and then they will be separated the wicked from the righteous it happens at the end when Jesus returns


“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:47-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s one resurrection in the end and another that happens if you believe the gospel death through repentance baptism and a new spiritual birth through belief in other words a spiritual resurrection. Which has now the promise because they believe of the resurrected body.

again at the end of the world the angels will seperate the wicked from the righteous

“As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:40-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you want more detail about that day in the end of the world and the reasons they are seperated if you want to better understand that day we just saw in that scripture when the wicked are cast into the fire and righteous are in the kingdom look further into what the lord said


“ When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

And before him shall be gathered all nations:

and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee ..

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee ..and did not minister unto thee?

Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:

but the righteous into life eternal.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31-32, 34-46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus was always teaching about his return at the end of the world these events aren’t seperate they are teachings about the day of his return at the end of the world , right after the great tribulation ends after the gospel of the kingdom has been preached

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

...Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14, 29-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There is a resurrection of the body at the end of the world and there is salvation and resurrection of the spirit in this world that gets us there to where we need to be

Resurrection of the wicked and righteous happens at once and then the judgement of Christ happens that separates them , then the angels will cast the wicked into the fire with Satan and his minions , and the kingdom of God will be established on the earth all having glorified bodies and having God among us

amen it could not be said any better or plainer than your words

Why don't you start with what he actually wrote - "seventy sevens" or "70x7"...?

I didn't think you would have any regard for what I wrote in my previous post - and, apparently, I was right...

sorry this is totally unrelated but interesting

“Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’ve noticed some of your posts and was wondering about the number seven is it meant to be literal ? Or is there something else going on about the number seven ? does that provoke any thoughts I could sponge ?

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The word can mean days or years so the argument that it's not years falls apart instantly.


H7620
שׁבעה / שׁבע / שׁבוּע
shâbûa‛ / shâbûa‛ / shebû‛âh
BDB Definition:
1) seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, week
1a) period of seven days, a week
1a1) Feast of Weeks
1b) heptad, seven (of years)
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: properly, passive participle of H7650 as a denominative of H7651
Same Word by TWOT Number: 2318d

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( 70t7 )

WOW - this is post #770...

"number of perfection" / "number of completion"

Amen
thank you for responding God bless

“And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.”

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,”

‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:14‬ ‭

And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭4:5‬ ‭K

“And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:1, 6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭8:1-2, 6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭10:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭10:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it seems it does relate to completion , finality and completed work. Also I notice as I’m looking at scripture it is often related directly to God through Christ as an identification of father son and Holy Ghost

his voice causes seven thunders to speak , his seven eyes of fire and seven horns are the seven spirits of God , the seven seals ,seven angels , seven trumpets , seven vials , seven years , seven churches ect I would have to agree with your thought of completion and authenticity from God

Jesus Christ Is My Lord, Amen!

The facts are that Jesus is the King of kings, and Lord of lords, and He is described as REIGNING in the future. Proof enough.

It seems you are just trying to play word games; as in, "show me these specific words before I will believe you" kind of thing.

Well, here's the evidence that exposes your error. You are spiritualizing EVERYTHING.

Those who do that can pretty much claim ANYTHING they want under the cover of spiritualizing.

Your "facts" are nothing but your opinions. With your spiritualizing, anything can mean anything.

Its 100% a (Fact) Revelation 20:1-6 Below Is The Lords Spiritual Realm, Try To Find The Three Items Below, You Can't

Jesus Christ Ruling & Reigning Has Absolutely (Nothing) To Do With The False Claims Of A Physical Earthly Kingdom, Physical Earthly Throne, Or Mortal Humans, Claimed To Be Seen In Revelation 20:1-6 Below, Your Response Is A (Distraction) From The Claims Made (Fact)

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Gary where do you find scripture to support your claim of a literal 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ upon this existing earth, as claimed in bold red in your post above?

2 Peter 3:8 doesn't establish this claim, as it says one day is a thousand years, and nothing about a (Reign)

I disagree with your claim, 2 Peter 3:8 is teaching there is no literal earthly time in the Lords eternal spiritual realm, one day is a Zillion years, (No Earthly Time) it's that simple

You in error bring this to a literal 1,000 years, where mortal humans are present in a earthly Millennial reign, I disagree

Jesus Christ dissolves this earth at his Appearance in the Second Coming, I disagree with your claim it's just a little fire, and humans survive

Luke 17:28-29KJV
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Another rather subtle point that James is making:
Indeed the miracle of the Church Age has begun. Nevertheless Gods promises for a future restoration of national Israel remains unaltered and certain. James is assuring the Jewish holy brethren of this.

The vast majority of Jews in Israel are involved in the occultic Kaballah, Zohar, or Talmud, the Torah is a distant book on the shelf, unused

God has no respect of persons, Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, and the vast majority of Jews wont find this truth

Zechariah 13:8-9
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

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The Zohar, a collection of written, mystical commentaries on the Torah, is considered to be the underpinning of Kabbalah. Written in medieval Aramaic and medieval Hebrew, the Zohar is intended to guide Kabbalists in their spiritual journey, helping them attain the greater levels of connectedness with God that they desire.