The Millennium: An Earthly rule by Christ and his saints

You're changing the text. It doesn't say "future".

Doesn't text in verse 5 say "This is the first resurrection"? And doesn't this phrase point to the previous text ("they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years")?

You're dancing around the text without answering my question

You're spiritualizing and taking passages out of context. All prophecies go back to the covenant promise, which is "that the Almighty's nation of priests will spread the knowledge of the Living God to the nations of the world, and as an effect the nations will enter into peace (the evidence of which is dismantling of weapons)".

Two groups involved:
A) "Israel", the nation of priests (made up of Jew and gentile believers)

B) the nations (made up of gentiles) who are ignorant of the Almighty

The Almighty's 1st step is to form His nation by drawing in those who are His from the nations; those who overcome the world and its temptations...we're still within this 1st step.

The 2nd step is for his priests to teach the nations His ways...which begins during the millennium. This is why half of all OT prophecies have yet to be fulfilled.

It is Almighty's will that none should perish but come to the knowledge of the truth (2 Peter 3:8-10). There are many people who honestly don't know the truth because those who have (supposedly) represented the Almighty throughout the centuries have done unspeakable evil in His name. So the world was left to its own devices - vanity - until the "sons of God" manifest in the world (Romans 8:19).

There are people who are genuinely unsure of the existence of the Living God who - like Thomas - need to see for themselves. They will see, but those who do not need to see are called "blessed" (John 20:29). And there are those who - because of lies and mistreatment by those who supposedly represent God - are atheistic, who will be judged based on how they followed their conscience (Romans 2:12-14). The Almighty isn't cruel as to destroy the ignorant without giving all a chance to walk in truth.

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Folks are missing half the plan if they think the story is over when the Messiah appears to gathers them. When He comes, Israel (jew & gentile believers) finally reaches it's intended starting point to fulfill the Almighty's purpose for them (before Israel sinned, was scattered, and needed to be redeemed & restored).

The Almighty's word will not come back void (Isaiah 55:11). He said Israel will be His priests to reconcile the world to Himself. It'll only take a "day" (i.e. a thousand years) to remove the iniquity (Zechariah 3:9). This is why satan is bound, so that there will be no deception. No leaven. No confusing myriad of interpretations. Pure truth.

Only when all know the truth will they have a real choice to walk in it or reject Him and if they choose the latter (and many will, unfortunately) then they will be wiped out in fervent heat along with their father.

Dare one of my kids place their hand into a viper's nest, they will die, which contradicts the description of that era. So, reality has every appearance of rendering your belief about the 1000 years an irrational assumption.

What is the acid test as to what you render literal, and what is metaphorical/allegirical? I'm still trying to pin that down.

MM

I disagree, Is 2:6-22 is about the Lord second coming in judgement in wrath, (The Day Of The Lord)

Men run into the rock's, caves, for fear of the second coming, and man's breath is taken from his nostrils (The End)

20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ?

Not hard to pin down whatsoever

2 Peter 3:8 tells us very clearly that (One Day Is A Thousand Years) with the Lord, is it literal?

No, its symbolically teaching that no physical time is seen in the Lords spiritual realm (Eternal)

Then man takes Rev 20:1-6 and tries to create a future, literal, kingdom on this earth, when all the characters are in the Lords eternal spiritual realm of (No Earthly Time)

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

Their teaching has Jesus Christ, sitting on a throne of David, ruling mortal humans, who are pro-creating, and dying physical deaths?

Jesus Christ Has Now Become A Funeral Director?

Dispensationalism's variation of this Millennial Kingdom has Jews sacrificing animals in a rebuilt temple, as Jesus Christ sits on the throne of David watching?

Jesus is now funeral director, and butcher shop manager?

A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale

Thanks for adding the Book, Chapter, Verses

A translation would also be helpful, I use the KJV that is represented in my postings

I have read the entire chapter of Isaiah 46, it states absolutely "Nothing" about a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, this has been our topic

Good point.

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The "Amill-teachings" take a major mis-step here, in the following passage:

1 Corinthians 15 -

24 Then [G1534 - eita ] cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet [note esp Hebrews 2:8c here]. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


The word "G1534 - eita - THEN" is a SEQUENCE word only "with no time-element attached" to it (unlike a different Greek word translated "then" which is "G5119 - tote" like is used in 2Th2:8 and other places).


THIS word for "THEN" (G1534) is only with regard to "SEQUENCE"... and if you'll notice the THREE items LISTED here START with Jesus' own Resurrection some 2000 YEARS before the NEXT LISTED item (v.23). So it is no problem at all for the THIRD LISTED item to be speaking of something that SEQUENTIALLY takes place 1000 years after the second listed item!


(Note: the word "coming [cometh]" is not in the text, as indicated by the use of the italics in the kjv. The text just reads "THEN [G1534] the end"... and it is NOT "THEN IMMEDIATELY the end," as the Amill-teaching skews it to mean! , but "THEN [sequentially] the end"--"for He must reign TILL" )

Thanks for the response

No dancing whatsoever, we will take it (Real Slow)

Rev 20:4 John Saw (The Souls),they are tribulation saints, they didn't worship the beast or receive the mark (Fact)

(They Lived And Reigned With Christ, 1,000 Years)

Rev 20:5 "IMPORTANT INTERPRETATION"

(The Rest Of The Dead)?

As I have said again and again, all those represented in Rev 20:4-6 are (Dead) waiting for the (Future) first resurrection

You stated I add the word (Future)?

Yes I added (Future) because there us one (Future) resurrection of "All" on the "Last Day"




Revelation 20:4-6KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Thanks for the response

No dancing whatsoever, we will take it (Real Slow)

Rev 20:4 John Saw (The Souls),they are tribulation saints, they didn't worship the beast or receive the mark (Fact)

(They Lived And Reigned With Christ, 1,000 Years) I showed how all believers are recognized as the Living, God is Gid ofthe (Living) not the dead.

Rev 20:5 "IMPORTANT INTERPRETATION"

(The Rest Of The Dead)?

As I have said again and again, all those represented in Rev 20:4-6 are (Dead) waiting for the (Future) first resurrection

You stated I add the word (Future)?

Yes I added (Future) because there is one (Future) resurrection of "All" on the "Last Day" as Jesus Christ taught below, all those seen in Rev 20:4-6 are waiting upon this (Future) resurrection.

I fully explained (Two) resurrections are seen below, the saved are blessed to be in the (First) resurrection to life

There Is "One" Future Resurrection Of "All", This Takes Place On "The Last Day" At The Time Of "Final Judgement"

(The Last Day Resurrection, Judgement)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The Last Day Resurrection)

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

(The Last Day Judgement)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Revelation 20:4-6KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

That's an interesting attempt at intermixing non-related contexts, which is what some Jehovah's Witnesses tried to foist upon me some time back in their defense of beliefs not consistent with the scriptures.

Please talk about the actual context of that verse in 2 Peter so that we can see if you can then draw a legitimate parallel to Revelation, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Zechariah and many other sections of scripture that deal with the millennial kingdom.

MM

Thanks for the response and interest, I'm a Spirit filled Christian, that was bound by the teachings of dispensationalism for 20 years, a Millennial Kingdom just one of their teachings

Perhaps you can post your claims of a Millennial Kingdom seen in Ezekiel, Isaiah, or Zechariah, one at a time, we will go real slow, please post the Book, Chapter, Verses, Translation, and actual scripture, "thanks"

We have covered Rev 20:1-6, the foundation of the supposed Millennial Kingdom on earth, and yes the next step is to wander off into the books mentioned above, trying to establish that which isnt seen, Waiting?

The scripture below explains to the human mind, the Lord is not bound by earthly time, one day is a thousand represents the (Alpha Omega) the (First Last)

If a believer dies physically, he enters the Lords Eternal Realm, just as those seen in Rev 20:4-6 (The Souls) (The Dead) waiting on the future resurrection and glorified body.

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Does the Lord own the cattle upon just 1,000 hills, or all hills?

Its symbolic of a vast number to man, today it would be trillion, or zillion

Psalm 50:10KJV
10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

I believe your reading to much into this
This is a expression of pslam 90 :4
It's man comparing our time constraints and God's reluctant seeming slack at his coming.
It is not a metaphor for the end time event.
The pslam is about the waiting on the lord.

Yes Psalm 90:1-4 also shows God is outside of time, everlasting to everlasting (Eternal)

And Once again, the use of a (Thousand Years) is symbolic not literal

The (Alpha/Omega) The (First/Last)

Psalm 90:1-4KJV
1 Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
3 Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.
4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

If your referral is to jesus.....he always was.....the I am
If your referring to the title jesus uses as the alpha and omega he is referring to genisis to revelation mankind's history the word of God.

Are you going to expound upon that verse in 2 Peter you tried to use to defend your beliefs, like I asked of you?

MM

Seen Below Is Post #332 Above, Been Up Over 5 Hours, Answering 2 Peter 3:8

Here It Is Again:

The scripture below explains to the human mind, the Lord is not bound by earthly time, one day is a thousand represents the (Alpha Omega) the (First Last)

If a believer dies physically, he enters the Lords Eternal Realm, just as those seen in Rev 20:4-6 (The Souls) (The Dead) waiting on the future resurrection and glorified body.

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Does the Lord own the cattle upon just 1,000 hills, or all hills?

Its symbolic of a vast number to man, today it would be trillion, or zillion

Psalm 50:10KJV
10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

Ok, so you refuse to deal with the context of 2 Peter 3:8. Let's examine that, shall we?

[2 Peter 3:3-9] 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The context doesn't uphold your interpretation. In other words, God is not limited by the same constraints of time because “with the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.” Time is simply not an issue with God because He has an unlimited amount of it. Taking that passage literally, while spiritualizing so many others, that is cause for question, and exactly why I have asked you and others to explain the acid test you all apply for how you determine what is literal and what is figurative/allegorical. Can you do that for us?

MM

(The Acid Test) The Souls and The Dead seen below, have a whole bunch of time as seen below, because they are also in the Lords Eternal Realm, And Not On This Earth, "Its That Simple"

The Teaching That Those Seen Below Are On This Physical Earth?

It's A Man Made Fairy Tale

No Physical Kingdom
No Physiical Throne
No Mortal Humans

I Have Explained My Position In Detail, It Appears We Will Disagree

Revelation 20:4-6KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Your 2nd step has been happening for over 2000 years,

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Mt,28:19-20